Do You Believe in Eternal Hell

[Saint Frankenstein]

So your religion is a satanist yet you never asked your c/o what it was like before the Great Flood. Lol.

So the false Rapture that is coming this mid-July is a surprise to you ?

I'm not a "reverse Christian".

 

[InChrist]

Then what was the point of Christ's sacrifice if so many people will still go through torment that is infinitely (by definition, since it is supposedly eternal) worse than anything the Nazis did? And it really does sound rather spiteful and endlessly malevolent to put the billions of non-Christians through that, don't you think? What kind of diabolical entity would intentionally do that when it wouldn't even benefit from it?

I think that all wickedness, huge evils such as the atrocities perpetuated by the Nazis, or what some may consider a small evils, like lying, is the result of sinfulness in the human heart and behavior which is outside of God's will. I believe the point of Jesus' sacrifice was to pay the death or separation penalty that all humans owe for their own sins, bring freedom from sin, and realization and reconciliation with God and His will. It does not sound spiteful or malevolent to me for the Creator to separate sin and evil from that which He is transforming into good and beautiful. I believe each person is given numerous opportunities to have their life changed or remain in their sinful state impacting their eternal destiny one way or the other.

 

[Amechania]

I believe this life is the time for each person to determine whether to give their life to God or choose to be separated from their Creator forever. And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27).

My perspective from the biblical scriptures is that separation from God who is the only source of life, beauty and goodness will be an eternal hell created not by God torturing anyone, but by one's own self-torment.

I'm separated from God right now and don't seem any worse for wear. If God is the sole source of any of the good I might do then I have no free will so am not responsible for my actions anyway.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I'm separated from God right now and don't seem any worse for wear. If God is the sole source of any of the good I might do then I have no free will so am not responsible for my actions anyway.

Actually, it would mean you have free will but only in matters of evil. Isn't it a great belief to think all you can do is wrong?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'm not a "reverse Christian".

Please, let's use the correct terminology. It's Bizarro Christian.

 

[Amechania]

Actually, it would mean you have free will but only in matters of evil. Isn't it a great belief to think all you can do is wrong?

Sounds like spiritual masochism.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Sounds like spiritual masochism.

Battered wife syndrome is more specific.

 

[Erebus]

Now sinful demons who are possessing human host bodies right now will respond to this fact in anger.

You're damn right we will! How dare you say such things of the Underworld?

Sheol is not "a mud pit filled with maggots and sinners" it's a health spa. The mud is great for your skin and those sinners aren't writhing in agony, they're vigorously exfoliating.

In Hades the tree of death was admittedly a faux pas (Satan apologizes for any inconvenience caused) and has since been replaced with a cocktail lounge.

The Lake of Fire now has full health and safety checks and a railing has been fitted to prevent the damned from falling in. The whole thing is now an all you can eat steakhouse. Hellfire adds a smokey flavour that has to be tasted to be believed.

Tartarus still needs a lot of work, but be fair, when was the last time you saw a HR department that wasn't just a little bit depressing?

 

[InChrist]

I'm separated from God right now and don't seem any worse for wear. If God is the sole source of any of the good I might do then I have no free will so am not responsible for my actions anyway.

How are you sure that you're not any worse for wear? You have the choice to submit or not submit your life to God and let His goodness flow through you, therefore I believe you do have freewill and are responsible for your actions.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

How are you sure that you're not any worse for wear? You have the choice to submit or not submit your life to God and let His goodness flow through you, therefore I believe you do have freewill and are responsible for your actions.

Is there an objective measure for "worse for wear"?

 

[InChrist]

Actually, it would mean you have free will but only in matters of evil. Isn't it a great belief to think all you can do is wrong?

Actually,although in a fallen, sinful condition I think because humans are made in the image of God everyone is capable of doing good things at times. Many Nazis who committed evil, awful acts daily against Jewish people went home and loved their wives and children and fed their dog.

 

[InChrist]

Is there an objective measure for "worse for wear"?

I don't know, but Amechania used that expression so you may ask her.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Actually,although in a fallen, sinful condition I think because humans are made in the image of God everyone is capable of doing good things at times. Many Nazis who committed evil, awful acts daily against Jewish people went home and loved their wives and children and fed their dog.

Well it's good to know you're not completely ignorant of the implications of Luther's statements on free will.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I don't know, but Amechania used that expression so you may ask her.

And you followed it with a challenge of her subjective evaluation of her own mental, emotional, and physical state. Obviously you think you can quantify well-being without the use of personal evaluation.

 

[InChrist]

Well it's good to know you're not completely ignorant of the implications of Luther's statements on free will.

I don't really go along with Luther's view on the bondage of the will.

 

[InChrist]

And you followed it with a challenge of her subjective evaluation of her own mental, emotional, and physical state. Obviously you think you can quantify well-being without the use of personal evaluation.

It was not a challenge. It was a question to gain further understanding.

 

[Ingledsva]

Distinctions are as follows:
1) Sheol (hell) has the mud pits filled with sinners and maggots that cause so much pain that the sinners cannot even neutralize the pain by self torturing their bodies.

2) Hades is desolation. The sky is black. The land is just dust. The Tree of Death is a smallish tree (15ft high) burnt black, no leaves. When sinners appear there they get about 51 seconds to survive whilst their flesh and bone literally wilts and disintegrates becoming nothing more than the dust at their feet.

3) The Lake of Fire only had sounds of the wind and fire because all sinners only consisted of bones. Even though their jaws were wide open, their screams could not be heard because they had no fleshy lungs.

4) Tartarus or the prison for the fallen angels is horrific. Its a place where the words fear, despair and misery take real form and literally crush a sinner's body into the razor sharp skin flake dust.

Tartarus is a specific unique location because not every mortal is a angel hybrid. They have their own final destination if they don't repent in time.

None of this is in the Bible.



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[Gjallarhorn]

None of this is in the Bible.



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Neither is the NWO or incarnate angels. Otherkin believe a lot of non-canon things.

 

[Penumbra]

So do you believe in eternal hell?

No.

And I think it's a concept that humanity would do well to outgrow.

 

[Nakosis]

I mean a place of suffering where sinners stay forever.

Even in same faiths people have different ideas about hell.So do you believe in eternal hell?Based on what?

Yeah, well I call it Earth.

You stay here and "suffer" until you are ready to let go of sin.

The suffering only seems eternal.
The Christian Church used the threat of Hell to keep people in hell. "Don't have to stop sinning, just ask Jesus to save you."
No one is good and you are not worthy of Heaven.

Not to pick on Christians, but I don't see where this type of thinking is going to help them.

Earth would make a good hell. Just get used to the suffering and it's not such a bad place.