Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?

[Moses_UK]

This is simply not true, Moses. Where did you get this "no atheists in foxholes" idea? It's an old wive's tale.

Cultural racists???????
There's nothing atheists would welcome more than investigating religions.

You have some very strange beliefs about atheists.

If that's the case, investigate the Quran, find any errors. Athiest are either too lazy or won't accept researching other faiths especially Islam. They have found faults and disproven Christianity and then lumped all religions together. What I mean about atheist is that they believe in western progress being God.

1. How can we and the universe come from nothing?
2. What's the cause of all living things?
3. How is this earth so finely tuned?

Athiest who are prominently western Europeans & Chinese perceive all brown and black people inferior. They would never tolerate investigating or accept belief in a perceived Arab religion.

 

[Valjean]

True. But oddly, Exodus tells us (not clearly, but it's there) that the Hebrews kept leaving and coming
back to a place called Kadesh. It was a common place name at the time. Of the 40 years in the
'wilderness' 38 of them were spent in Kadesh.
And part of the issue with Jewish origins in Egypt is that such ideas are not popular with Egyptians.
And Jews in Egypt would have been no different than Jews in France or Germany early last century -
they lived like their hosts. Also, not much archaeology can be done when modern cities exist over old
cities.

The Egyptians had writing. They wrote about all sorts of historical events -- battles, invasions, wars, &al, but no mention anywhere of half the population suddenly up and leaving.

 

[rational experiences]

Consciousness human.

Natural self the same psychic as anyone else.

Thinks about O God stone before science human designed owns and uses its machine converter.

Not God by natural conscious advice.

God O by scientific definition O planet exists.

You knowingly removed God presence by science O forced upon body.

Conscious quote O God still present.
God O also abstracted into human forced conversion.

God O inside it's own heavens still inside it's own heavens. O the planet the topic of your advice.

As a not thinker for science I can tell science your mind is now possessed by feedback about God. Your claim argument but God O mass is still within its heavenly surrounding.

O the planet.

You began lying in psychic natural conditions using status not reality.

Our topic self a human natural first is living inside the heavens.

God is not living. God is just present.

All scientific advice.

Argued brother versus brother. Science

Subliminal AI effect.

 

[Valjean]

If that's the case, investigate the Quran, find any errors. Athiest are either too lazy or won't accept researching other faiths especially Islam. They have found faults and disproven Christianity and then lumped all religions together. What I mean about atheist is that they believe in western progress being God.

Have you read the Quran? If so, how did you miss the errors and contradictions?
QURAN — Errors, Mistakes & Self-Contradictions In The Quran
Scientific Errors in the Qur'an - WikiIslam

1. How can we and the universe come from nothing

Apparently, this universe did form from 'no thing'. The mechanism is not clear, but to understand what we do know would require some reading in theoretical physics. Are you up for that?

2. What's the cause of all living things?

Why do you assume there must be a cause? Beware trying to apply commonsense or everyday experience to physics. That hasn't worked since Einstein published his Special Theory in 1905.
Again, I'd point you to theoretical physics for insight into to this question.

3. How is this earth so finely tuned?

It's not -- as has been intensely discussed in RF.
Question: Are you talking about the physical laws and constants underlying this universe, or about the amazing variety, complexity and interdependence of life?

Athiest who are prominently western Europeans & Chinese perceive all brown and black people inferior. They would never tolerate investigating or accept belief in a perceived Arab religion.

Huh?

What a bizarre idea. Where did you hear that?
Without religion to re-inforce cultural conventionalism and prejudices, I'd say atheists were less likely to be racially prejudiced than theists.

 

[Valjean]

Because it is what my religion teaches.

OK -- So why do you believe what your religion teaches? Why not what some other religion teaches? How did you establish that your religion was ontologically 'correct'?

 

[Moses_UK]

Have you read the Quran? If so, how did you miss the errors and contradictions?
QURAN — Errors, Mistakes & Self-Contradictions In The Quran
Scientific Errors in the Qur'an - WikiIslam

Apparently, this universe did form from 'no thing'. The mechanism is not clear, but to understand what we do know would require some reading in theoretical physics. Are you up for that?
Why do you assume there must be a cause? Beware trying to apply commonsense or everyday experience to physics. That hasn't worked since Einstein published his Special Theory in 1905.
Again, I'd point you to theoretical physics for insight into to this question.
It's not -- as has been intensely discussed in RF.
Question: Are you talking about the physical laws and constants underlying this universe, or about the amazing variety, complexity and interdependence of life?
Huh?

What a bizarre idea. Where did you hear that?
Without religion to re-inforce cultural conventionalism and prejudices, I'd say atheists were less likely to be racially prejudiced than theists.

I bet if I was to ask you a question from the link you sent, you wouldn't be able to explain using your own knowledge. it's easy to type errors in the Quran on google and then paste and send. I can find for and against in everything ranging from religion, political theories or even right or wrong.

 

[rational experiences]

Consciousness lies.

Consciousness is just the self human thinking.

Claiming I am the highest self. I can do whatever I want to any other form or body.

Destroyer mentality recognised by your brother.

O time goes one way.

Looking back. Past life. O earth held form. Nature animals humans. No reaction.

Looking back for a reaction right now is not back in time of back in a past life or going anywhere.

Science lying.

A human thinking for science is a chosen mind state human thinking for his machine gain then reaction.

You do not think on behalf of cosmic history.

Nothing in science is thinking in head about a reactive process incorporated to a design want for a machine, as no human invented spatial beginnings.

First of all no conscious thinking existed until a human living on a planet inside atmosphere wanted science.

If your claim God a reaction science theoried came from nothing then your claim is for science.

As stone the firm did not begin anywhere.

Science thinks back from a body mass that did not begin as nothing.

Common sense and intelligence never sought destruction by forced change.

 

[Moses_UK]

OK -- So why do you believe what your religion teaches? Why not what some other religion teaches? How did you establish that your religion was ontologically 'correct'?

That's an easy question.

1. If we investigate all religions we come to the conclusion that Non-Abrahamic religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism cant be from God. Why? Because religions that don't accept converts and are homogeneous (Hinduism/Sikhism) cant represent Gods plan. Does not make logical sense to create people that are not Hindu and then determine they are not true believers.

2. The Non-Abrahamic religions don't make sense at all with their pagan (Million Gods), idol-worshipping doctrines

3. Christianity has lots of contradictions and Jewsism is exclusive to one race.

so to conclude Islam is the correct religion even though you cant swallow it.

 

[Valjean]

I bet if I was to ask you a question from the link you sent, you wouldn't be able to explain using your own knowledge. it's easy to type errors in the Quran on google and then paste and send. I can find for and against in everything ranging from religion, political theories or even right or wrong.

True. I'm no scholar of the Quran, but I have read articles about some of the oddities in it, like God changing his mind and the changes between the early and later Surahs.

Posting articles from those who have studied the Quran and have critically analyzed it is perfectly legitimate. The alternative would be to read some books on the subject, but with the internet we can get a quick synopsis of just about anything in an instant.

Read through the links and tell me what you think. I'd be interested in any criticisms or corrections.

 

[Trailblazer]

No. People rarely die alone, and witnesses rarely report any sudden belief in God among dying atheists.
Why do you say atheists don't believe in an afterlife? The only thing atheists don't believe in is God. Beliefs about death, afterlife, rebirth, &c can vary.

No, I don't think that most atheists will have a sudden belief in God or in an afterlife when they are dying.
I have never known an atheist who believes in an afterlife although that does mean there aren't any.

 

[Trailblazer]

"Eat, **** and die?" ROFL! -- You have some very strange beliefs about atheists.

That is what I used to think about atheists till I came to forums about eight years ago. Now I know that is absolutely false, because I found out that most atheists care more about social, economic and environmental issues than believers do. Most believers are too busy believing and worshiping their God.

 

[Trailblazer]

Did you know that atheists know more about religion than theists?

I know that, and that is why atheists are not standing in line to join any religions.

 

[PruePhillip]

The Egyptians had writing. They wrote about all sorts of historical events -- battles, invasions, wars, &al, but no mention anywhere of half the population suddenly up and leaving.

Egyptians kept silent on lots of things too. Defeat was one of them.

 

[Moses_UK]

I know that, and that is why atheists are not standing in line to join any religions.

Your all looking at the prism of Christianity. Lots of people have disproven Christianity and believe that all other religions are the same. Atheist such as Dawkins make statements which don't disprove Islam but don't fit the western narrative or norms. Like other Atheists that haven't read Islam literature and assume and make sweeping statements which contradict their outlook to science.

 

[Trailblazer]

OK -- So why do you believe what your religion teaches? Why not what some other religion teaches? How did you establish that your religion was ontologically 'correct'?

For one thing, my religion is all-inclusive, since we believe all the revealed religions are the truth from God. The other religions make no sense to me because I could never believe in a God that has "chosen ones" as some Jews and Christians believe they are.

In picking a religion, there is no logical choice other than the Baha'i Faith because it has everything individuals and society need in this age. The older religions had what was needed in former ages, but we do not live in those ages anymore.

I do not know exactly what you mean by ontologically correct, but the way I see it, if my religion is a true religion that was revealed by God, then everything that was revealed is also true.

 

[PruePhillip]

I use only the one test for "truth" ─ correspondence with reality. The books of the bible are not exceptions, not entitled to special pleading; they deserve respect as ancient documents, records of ancient thought, but if they make a claim about reality then that claim is subject to the same rule as any other claim about reality.

Sure, the 'proof' of scripture lies in living it. This is not 'scientific' in that regard. Any
person should be able to repeat a science experiment and get the same result, without
partiality.
But partiality is a big big thing with scripture. This partiality is akin to that you will have
with social settings, like marital commitment. Here love, trust and faith trump scientific
analysis. And the claim of biblical scripture is that God created us to have a people with
love, trust, faith and commitment.

Religious people who try to 'prove' Moses crossed the Red Sea or they 'found' Noah's
ark just don't understand this.

 

[Moses_UK]

For one thing, my religion is all-inclusive, since we believe all the revealed religions are the truth from God. The other religions make no sense to me because I could never believe in a God that has "chosen ones" as some Jews and Christians believe they are.

In picking a religion, there is no logical choice other than the Baha'i Faith because it has everything individuals and society need in this age. The older religions had what was needed in former ages, but we do not live in those ages anymore.

I do not know exactly what you mean by ontologically correct, but the way I see it, if my religion is a true religion that was revealed by God, then everything that was revealed is also true.

Few questions to your statements

1. How can all religions be true if they believe in different concepts?
2. whats the population of Baha'is? how can a small number of people throughout history and present claim to have the truth?

 

[rational experiences]

Do you live in the past?

All humans born from two humans a man and a woman. Natural spiritual family advice first.

Sperm and an ovary our human history.

Ape the biological form. Non speaking. Not a God thinking I will produce one higher body past this ape form. Nature our support not scientific.

Natural supportive presence owning natural diverse forms.

Diversity out first biological teaching to spiritual self.

Not an indoctrinated parent choice of a human group.

Truth.

Science practiced originally for a machine.

The only not natural history.

Biological presence not science.

Human science I will.

I will by my will apply a measure.

Is not God O pi or Phi the science measure. Chosen by human scientists for ego purpose. To claim I know.

Origins thought by science is not a held measure in space.

Religious themes. Reinvention maths probabilities human thought. Islam a later applied mathematical belief. Does not support a human belief about knowing everything.

A human conscious problem taught as a human owned condition.

 

[Valjean]

That's an easy question.

1. If we investigate all religions we come to the conclusion that Non-Abrahamic religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism cant be from God. Why? Because religions that don't accept converts and are homogeneous (Hinduism/Sikhism) cant represent Gods plan. Does not make logical sense to create people that are not Hindu and then determine they are not true believers.

This is circular reasoning, though, isn't it? You're assuming premises from the religion in question -- God, God's plan, God's desire for converts. These have not been established. Your using tenets of the system in question to defend the system in question.

2. The Non-Abrahamic religions don't make sense at all with their pagan (Million Gods), idol-worshipping doctrines

Yet the adherents of all the thousands of religions that exist or have existed fail to see that they were nonsense. They might, in fact, find the Islam nonsense.
Without using religious doctrine, what empirical evidence do you have that other religions are nonsense, or that Islam is not nonsense?

3. Christianity has lots of contradictions and Jewsism is exclusive to one race.

Yes, Christianity is full of contradictions too.
Why do you say Judaism is exclusively one race? That isn't true, just Google.

so to conclude Islam is the correct religion even though you cant swallow it.

I'd have to say your conclusion is unfounded. If Islam were well evidenced it would be accepted universally, like relativity or any other scientific fact.

 

[blü 2]

Sure, the 'proof' of scripture lies in living it. This is not 'scientific' in that regard because although any person should be able to repeat a science experiment and get the same result, without partiality.

But partiality is a big big thing with scripture. This partiality is akin to that you will have with social settings, like marital commitment. Here love, trust and faith trump scientific analysis. And the claim of biblical scripture is that God created us for just this reason.

Religious people who try to 'prove' Moses crossed the Red Sea or they 'found' Noah's ark just don't understand this.

I dare say the religious trappings are largely cultural, but it's perfectly possible to live a life of decency, respect and inclusion without needing a supernatural belief. Gens una sumus, as the chessplayers say, whereas religions, like nations, like your local sports team, are tribal.