QuestioningMind
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I have no belief in any god or gods simply because I've never been presented with sufficient evidence to warrant my belief in any of the god or gods I've ever heard proposed.
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Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?
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I have no belief in any god or gods simply because I've never been presented with sufficient evidence to warrant my belief in any of the god or gods I've ever heard proposed.
Reality can be different in different levels of consciousness. Our conscious perception of the world is subjective and illusory.
Eh bien. I know your views of heaven and you know mine ─ this is all there is, and decency is its own reward, god or no god.
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rational experiences
Veteran Member
Image.
I the mage or magi. Magic.
Cause science artificial effects.
As a psychic spiritual study. Pondered information.
Clouds hot gas in space vacuum rolling effect. Gases cooled. Clouds and blue light gas. Gas in vacuum above us natural light.
Mind says I am alive living only because light exists. Taught conscious night time you sleep. A form of non conscious presence.
Clouds once smoking rolling vacuum effect no image.
If you cause as a human designer extra burning of above us. Your image would appear as the proof a human designer caused it.
Reasoning effect. Animals image also in clouds existed without human life.
Dinosaur history that proof. Dinosaurs also in cloud image. Giant life.
Past life thought upon by thinker. Scientist researcher. Found human artefacts deep inside earth mass even coal.
Giant and thinking time frames extensive and forever. O planet in space owning no time frame.
Two forms of science thinkers.
Actual observation in reality or a pretence in egotism.
Image stretches in clouds to form giant image human or animal life.
Human image feedback psyche aware falsified the state to be aware without using scientific advice.
What the AI effect was. Machine transmitted cause effect.
Machine from God mass.
Human not God the designer.
Machine God cause effect false images.
Real human. Real image only owned in physical bio form.
No bio form. No image either.
Reasoning O a planets whole image is fed back also in same atmospheric condition.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
One of the great tragedies of personal morality (this 'self righteous' part) is that if everyone
has his or her own righteousness then what exactly IS morality? This is what bothered
Nietzsche. Is stealing to help the poor right? Is avenging your honor right? Is bombing Pearl
Harbor okay because America wanted the preeminence, froze your assets and embargoed
your oil?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, it's free of supernatural beings, for a start.
No, that is a belief.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
The world is physical and impersonal. Now stop using the personal, subjective and all that. Only live using the impersonal. Do that and I will accept that the world is only physical and impersonal.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I believe that reality is what exists....
Our conscious perception of the world may or may not be congruent with reality.
Morality is a mix of evolved moral tendencies, and an evolved conscience and evolved capacity for empathy, on the one hand, and behaviors learnt from upbringing, culture, education and experience. The evolved moral tendencies, appropriate for gregarious primates, you'll notice, which we know from anthropology and from experiments, not least with very young, even pre-verbal, children, are child nurture and protection, dislike of the one who harms, like of fairness and reciprocity, respect for authority, loyalty to the group, and a sense of self-worth / virtue through self-denial. The acquired part includes how to behave when dining with others, in public, meeting relatives, meeting others who are your social superiors, peers, or inferiors, authority figures (teacher, policeman, doctor &c), the rules of gift-giving, excreting, manners generally, gatherings for namings, coming-of-age, weddings and funerals, on and on.
All morality is relative, with no moral absolutes. The atom bomb under the city will explode in one hour unless you hand over citizen X for me to kill &c.
Really? Show me.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Father I learnt is real.
Over consciousness.
Original human parents X multitude their selves. We came from sperm and ovary......not an adult human. Baby not an adult. Child not an adult. Teen-ager becoming adult.
Our behaviour development realisation.
Not scientific is observed however. By self and then a self doing a self review.
Not scientific.
Science lied i observe. No you also believe.
Father was not originally a scientist after ice age.
His recorded consciousness not living but re used told me so.
A scientist idea he was a God. Father told me so.
Over consciousness.
Original human parents X multitude their selves. We came from sperm and ovary......not an adult human. Baby not an adult. Child not an adult. Teen-ager becoming adult.
Our behaviour development realisation.
Not scientific is observed however. By self and then a self doing a self review.
Not scientific.
Science lied i observe. No you also believe.
Father was not originally a scientist after ice age.
His recorded consciousness not living but re used told me so.
A scientist idea he was a God. Father told me so.
lukethethird
unknown member
Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?
God who, and besides either way, who cares?
God who, and besides either way, who cares?
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, what is a belief? It is a state in a brain, that signifies a thought. So on with the answer.
So for the world in the metaphysical sense versus the everyday sense, the difference is this.
Metaphysics is what the world is as independent of your experience of it. But that is unknown, since you know through your experiences.
So here is the problem. Your experiences and you are caused by the world as such, but for the real world versus a cheating world, you have no way of know which you are in.
Real world causes your experiences.
Cheating world as e.g. an alien computer simulated or a trickster God causes your experiences.
Thus the world to you is the same but the world as independent of your experience is not the same.
Now is doesn't mean that there is a creator God. Nor does it mean that there is no creator God. It means that it is unknown. In the formal sense for X is Y and X is not Z versus X is Z and X is not Y, there are for knowledge 3 possibility:
One is known to be case.
The other is known to be the case.
Neither is known to be the case.
In practice you can believe in either the supernatural or natural, or don't care; but that doesn't decide, what the world is independent of your experience of it. Nor is it possible with reason to deicide what is the case, because reason as thought process in you doesn't decide that.
Now you think as a belief:
Well, it's free of supernatural beings, for a start
Well, I don't know that as either a positive or a negative and I accept, that you don't believe in supernatural. But don't claim knowledge for which there is no knowledge. Knowledge is in practice as beliefs system that works for any individual based on their experiences, but that says nothing about the world as independent of experience.
In other words, what you do in effect, is that you assume as a belief that your experience of the world decides what the world is as independent of your experience of it. That is absurd and nonsense.
Again, I accept that you are a metaphysical materialist, but don't claim that as knowledge. It is a belief system in the end.
And of your belief in reason, that is a limited tool and it has nothing to do with it being valid or not. You can't with reason deicide what the world is as independent of your experience of it. That is a form of magical thinking.
But in this case the brain's understanding is based on observation of the world external to the self, and supernatural beings by definition aren't found in nature. So reality is free of supernatural beings not only via observation but in principle.
I don't understand what you mean by "metaphysics" in this context.
Because of my second assumption (which you share, as the fact you post here demonstrates) I am indeed informed about the world (as are you). My parents were real. My grandchildren are real. My air, drink, food, shelter, society, amenities, are all real, and come from outside my self, and are all known to me through my senses, and are no less known to me because I can't claim perfect knowledge of them.
Those are in the category of unfalsifiable claims, along with pure solipsism, Last Thursdayism, and so on. As such, they don't satisfy the criteria necessary to be taken seriously by science.
Seems you didn't read my post or ignored the implications because you don't want to hear them and jumped to conclusions.
First i provided some of my evidence and then i pointedly said "Result, i don't believe gods (or a god) exists". So may i advise a reading comprehension course.
Happy new year and welcome to RF
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I define blû 2 to mean doesn't exist, so by the power of this denition you don't exist and that is true and a fact.
You are doing magical thinking and woo-woo. Your thinking as a definition will not cause or determine the parts of the world not you to be either natural or supernatural. Learn to be skeptical of your own thinking.
Further the word "real" has not objective referent and is thus not objectively true. You are in effect nothing but a product of a subculture within Western culture, but you have only learned to doubt other cultures. Not your own.
So here we go again. "Seriously" is not objectively true. You are subjective and in effect unable to understand your own cognition as that. You take it for granted and make a value system of what matters to you. But what matters to you, is subjective and different from what matters to me.
So again your reasoning is subjective and in the end a case of this:
"Man is the measure of all things: of the things that are, that they are, of the things that are not, that they are not." Protagoras.
We are "fighting" a fight that is older than Christianity and you are on side of in effect dogmatic knowledge and I am a relativist.
So again. The definition of blü 2 is doesn't exist. Stop using words as magical as magical and learn to be as skeptical of your own subjectivity as you are of everybody else's.
In effect you are irrational if you think as your definition as a case of thinking can decide what the world independent of your experience. Read some Kant on the irrationality of doing positive metaphysics as knowledge. And learn to check your words: Real has not objective referent and not does seriously.
You are making this subjective system of yours and it doesn't register that it is subjective, because it makes subjectively sense to you. You are as subjective as some religious, who don't understand that they are subjective.
There are 3 positions:
The world is natural.
The world is supernatural.
That is unknown what the world really is.
You are so narrow in your cognition that you can only hold 2 first ones. That is your problem, not mine. I can't thinking for you and get you to understand the limitation of "playing" definition games. So again, blü 2 means doesn't exist.
As for what metaphysics means, you do philosophy, so you should know. Metaphysics means what the world is in itself as it exists. You are a metaphysical materialist. That is what it means. But that is a belief, because your thinking as per the definition of what think the world is, doesn't determine or cause the world to be, what you think it is.
Stop doing philosophy unless you can actually understand the difference between to world to you versus the world in itself.
Heyo
Veteran Member
There are roughly 3000 religions with a few hundred thousand denominations. Why should I investigate any of them or one especially?
Christianity so far has convinced the most people but is far from a consensus. Independent from being "right" or even consistent, I know for a fact that there is no religion that is convincing. And most of them have failed to convince a majority for millennia.
Tell me:
Why isn't your religion/denomination accepted by a vast majority?
Why should I look into your religion and not others?
Given that there are 3000+ religions, how much time should one invest into one before going to the next?
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I don't really get why people say we don't understand gravity - we actually have as good a theory (very well tested) as we have for anything else - better in some respects because it at least it comes with an obvious interpretation. Gravity is due to the 'curvature' of space-time. You're right in that it isn't a force, or rather it an inertial force, that is the same sort of 'force' that pushes you back into your seat when an aeroplane takes off or centrifugal 'force'. Of course we can't yet merge this theory with quantum field theory, so it may change in the future, which is perhaps why people say we don't know, but we could say the same of QFT.
Anyway, I digress (well you did actually), what we do know is that space-time is at least a very good approximation to the universe, so my points stand. In particular, we know that time is not the immutable background of Newton.
Also, regardless of any of this there are multiple hypotheses that don't involve a universe appearing out of nothing.
let me try.
Here is a beautiful landscape.
The perceived beauty of it may serve as evidence that there is a loving Creator-God
https://pixabay.com/photos/trees-forest-river-valley-bridge-5822351/
it's close to where I currently live.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I can't believe you're still trying this. Why is it evidence of a god? Where is the actual argument?