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Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?

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rational experiences

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O God earth stone. Saints. Ain zero Hebrew saints in stone one body O mass.

Science fake.

O mass exists first held. Mass natural is not science to theory. God is natural so owns no theory.

O God is mass.

Science a male thinking then says O maths.

Science original reason was why man human changed self. Consciousness and gave self two minds.

One natural mind. One o maths caused fed back AI machine encoded/his design effect subliminal fake info.

Everyone possesed affected by subliminal effect without thinking as information speaks to you. Brain chemical change proves voice hearing.

So you argue I know God is real.

Yet you the self the human spiritual being makes those claims on self behalf. Not God. Your claim O maths and science. God before it's changed. Natural history.

God O science status earth. O maths is not mass not God natural not earth.

God is real as highest scientific human identified reasoning. To think about O held form.

No argument. We do not need to argue on behalf of God O as God O mass planet is real.
 
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rational experiences

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Trailblazer said:
The only real evidence that God exists is the Messengers that God sends. Below is the very beginning of that thread.
(I later realized I should have said that my belief is that Messengers of God are the only real evidence that God exists, because it is not a premise, it is a belief.)

My premise is that Messengers of God are the only real evidence that God exists because they are the evidence that God provides and wants us to look at in order to determine that He exists.

Allow me to preface this by saying that nobody can prove that a Messenger received communication from God, since nobody can prove that God exists. As I have been saying in this forum for years, all we have is evidence, and evidence is not the same as proof.

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement: https://www.google.com/search
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Living humans. Just as humans make all claims.

Brain chemical bio chemistry alters when water is lost in ground evaporation. Ice melts.....our teaching ice replacement owned conscious recording. Images and voice.

Past info. Human already experienced Christ effect then tells us. Sacrifice of life. Yet life survived incident then gives advice.

Consciousness exists recorded forever. Any thing any human ever felt or experienced. Recorded. Forever. The over consciousness.

Male man self he him his inventor of science is a God belief of self. O falsification of God O mass. O used to remove God mass

Why he thinks he is super intelligent.
Claims self and expressed self man deification.

Possessed by his owned science cause.......feed back speaking encoded scientific male human advice.....not of his voice.

Why he thought it a male God.

When I heard it as a sacrificed female condition I knew it was father harmed in life with DNA losses.

Reasoning male inferred voice as male beast animals sharing bio chemistry harmed in same form attack. Sound plus voice owns feedback messages.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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janesix said:
I believe in God due to experiences I have had. There is also the evidence to back up a creator, and a creator that has morals.
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What evidence is this? I can think of evidence that shows that if a creator exists that he has bad morals. And that is no even evidence for a creator. One has to assume that one exists.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Trailblazer said:
The only real evidence that God exists is the Messengers that God sends. Below is the very beginning of that thread.
(I later realized I should have said that my belief is that Messengers of God are the only real evidence that God exists, because it is not a premise, it is a belief.)

My premise is that Messengers of God are the only real evidence that God exists because they are the evidence that God provides and wants us to look at in order to determine that He exists.

Allow me to preface this by saying that nobody can prove that a Messenger received communication from God, since nobody can prove that God exists. As I have been saying in this forum for years, all we have is evidence, and evidence is not the same as proof.

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement: https://www.google.com/search
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You would have to demonstrate that those messengers are from God. How does not test a messenger? Right now there appear to be just as many messengers of God as there are messengers of Pixies.
 
janesix

janesix

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Subduction Zone said:
Hardly. That is not very reliable as evidence goes since there is a large range of activities that people can support using their conscience. Aim for a higher standard
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It's really very simple. Your conscience tells you not to be an *******. The only problem with that is that people don't care, and choose to be ********.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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QuestioningMind said:
How can you know if you haven't sought them out? Were there no messengers from god prior to you seeking them out?
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I was talking about messengers from pixies, not Messengers from God.
Of course there were Messengers from God before I sought them out. There have been Messengers from God since the dawn of human history.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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janesix said:
It's really very simple. Your conscience tells you not to be an *******. The only problem with that is that people don't care, and choose to be ********.
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So are you saying that many Christians are not really theists? Sorry, but I see far more theists that fit that description than atheists.

Conscience is easily explainable without having to rely on a God. That is why it is not evidence for a God.
 
janesix

janesix

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Subduction Zone said:
So are you saying that many Christians are not really theists? Sorry, but I see far more theists that fit that description than atheists.

Conscience is easily explainable without having to rely on a God. That is why it is not evidence for a God.
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Explain it then.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
You would have to demonstrate that those messengers are from God. How does not test a messenger? Right now there appear to be just as many messengers of God as there are messengers of Pixies.
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There are other tests, but for starters...

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: FRUIT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
 
janesix

janesix

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Subduction Zone said:
It is on the level of an instinctual reaction. People are social animals. Actions that harm the social group negatively affect the ability of the group to survive. It would be beneficial to have an innate reaction against such actions.
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So why do beneficial traits "evolve"? Why is survival something that organisms strive for? Where do instincts come from? Doesn't sound like something that would come from a meaningless universe.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
How do you know that someone is a "Messenger from God"?
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As I just said:

There are other tests, but for starters...

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: FRUIT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
 
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