Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?

[rational experiences]

What evidence is this? I can think of evidence that shows that if a creator exists that he has bad morals. And that is no even evidence for a creator. One has to assume that one exists.

Human expressed.

Did any one other than self speaking spiritual male give self permission Sion to change natural Fu Sion into fisSion?

Creator in man male terms self inventor. Design his creation. Design built a fake God machine.

Water pressure supported mineral mass not mineral melt. How to get a machine satanism.

No says male I gave my own self spiritually to thinking upon evil.

All representation self human conditions expressions. Affected by awareness of machine encoded feedback.

Irradiated due to wAter loss....burning gas lost cooling holding in vacuum.

Water part of pressure.

You changed as a thinker and became nasty. Naturally human self spiritual.

Memory male adult self human origins before science living kind caring.

Due to vacuum. Earth universe sucked itself into deeper cold space. Cold plus pressure why stone existed.

Falsely you quantified it as going back in time.
Reason first did heated radiation O mass conversion. Science. Heat not back in time....heat was stopped to own presence to exhibit time. The cycle.

Thinker lied claiming but I know mass was burning back before. Not time as a condition. Coercive falsification.

Earth only moves one way in cycle.

Science knew spatial conditions owned stone holding.

Earth O God lucky to still exist today. Other God bodies fell became blown apart Satan stars. History science man aware alien war stories in cosmos Mars God of war history. Changed.

Memory I did it says O God. Maths male thinker o. I created Satan. Earth as real God never did it O stone.

However stone in war O gods cosmic became star Satan. Coercion.

Meanwhile animals owning sound voice. Humans speaking gained anima voiced feed back. Both lives attacked sacrificed on stone conditions as stated.

Two unnatural mixed together recordings. Communication intermingled in feed back.

Why science included animal life in human baby stable teaching.

Fake God belief self. Man scientist o God maths attack cause.

That his story and conscious realisation is why the statement no man is God was written.

O God for a male his pi and Phi attack.

Activated by transmitting massive amounts radiation radio waves as he physically converted God mass. Stone product converted into gold by use radio wave radiation technology.

All controlled by male scientists.

Gold owning melt why he nearly destroyed everything.

Vacuum cold owned natural presence of radiation mass form to act as balanced vacuum. Science removed the law mother womb. Too late scenario if you activate it.

Why O God is not Satan O pi Phi effects non holding mass from cold thinking upon cold radiating mass to change.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are other tests, but for starters...

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: FRUIT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

The Bible is the claim, it is not the evidence. There is no proper test there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So why do beneficial traits "evolve"? Why is survival something that organisms strive for? Where do instincts come from? Doesn't sound like something that would come from a meaningless universe.

Traits naturally evolve. It is all but impossible to stop them. They evolve because of combination of variation, and there are several factors to that, and natural selection . This is rather basic level knowledge.

There is no need for "meaning" for positive traits to evolve. All that is needed is life. Once life exists it competes with itself. Organisms that are better adapted to their environment will do better than those that are not. And behavior is part of the adaptations that they undergo.

 

[janesix]

Traits naturally evolve. It is all but impossible to stop them. They evolve because of combination of variation, and there are several factors to that, and natural selection . This is rather basic level knowledge.

There is no need for "meaning" for positive traits to evolve. All that is needed is life. Once life exists it competes with itself. Organisms that are better adapted to their environment will do better than those that are not. And behavior is part of the adaptations that they undergo.

Really? why? why should anything evolve past chemical reactions?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Really? why? why should anything evolve past chemical reactions?

Limited resources.

 

[janesix]

Limited resources.

What does that have to do with evolution?

 

[Polymath257]

Logic. Pixies do not exist so they cannot have messengers.

I could say the same about Gods

 

[Polymath257]

I believe in God due to experiences I have had. There is also the evidence to back up a creator, and a creator that has morals.

What sort of experiences are sufficient to show the existence of a deity? None that I can think of. It seems like it would *always* be more likely that I am simply hallucinating.

Could you give some of the evidence that there is a creator, especially one with morals?

 

[Polymath257]

Explain it then.

Easy. We are social animals where the society depends on the majority going along with the leaders. Conscience promotes exactly that.

 

[janesix]

What sort of experiences are sufficient to show the existence of a deity? None that I can think of. It seems like it would *always* be more likely that I am simply hallucinating.

Could you give some of the evidence that there is a creator, especially one with morals?

I guess you would have to experience the divine to know it.

Our conscience is the evidence of a God with morals.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What does that have to do with evolution?

Evolution occurs because more life is produced than can live in any environment. This is constantly observed. As a result there is competition for limited resources and the end result of that is evolution.

 

[Polymath257]

There are other tests, but for starters...

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: FRUIT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

But first, you have to believe that Matthew is accurate. how do you know this?

 

[Polymath257]

I guess you would have to experience the divine to know it.

Our conscience is the evidence of a God with morals.

I disagree. Our conscience is evidence that we are social animals.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I guess you would have to experience the divine to know it.

Our conscience is the evidence of a God with morals.

This is more likely due to confirmation bias than the existence of a God. There is a reason that what you describe is not reliable evidence.

To be reliable a concept needs to be testable. And the test needs to be able to refute it. In other words what reasonable test based on your concept, not a false perception of someone else's concept. could demonstrate that it is wrong? If you cannot think of one then your "evidence" does not appear to be reliable at all.

 

[janesix]

Easy. We are social animals where the society depends on the majority going along with the leaders. Conscience promotes exactly that.

No it doesn't. Going along with leaders is a defence mechanism. There are very few "good" societies, that a good conscience would support. Look at the aztecs. That is one of the worst, but the others aren't much better.

 

[Polymath257]

What does that have to do with evolution?

Mutations that survive are more likely to get to further generations.

So why do beneficial traits "evolve"? Why is survival something that organisms strive for? Where do instincts come from? Doesn't sound like something that would come from a meaningless universe.

Beneficial traits appear by mutation. Those that do not strive for survival don't pass on their genes to the next generation, so the next generation is more likely to strive for survival. Instincts arise because having some behaviors be automatic is more likely to promote those genes passing on to the next generation.

 

[Polymath257]

I guess you would have to experience the divine to know it.

Maybe I have. I just realized it was my own imagination playing tricks with me.

 

[janesix]

This is more likely due to confirmation bias than the existence of a God. There is a reason that what you describe is not reliable evidence.

To be reliable a concept needs to be testable. And the test needs to be able to refute it. In other words what reasonable test based on your concept, not a false perception of someone else's concept. could demonstrate that it is wrong? If you cannot think of one then your "evidence" does not appear to be reliable at all.

If we had no conscience, we would always be jerks, because it is more natural and easier than being a courageous hero. Or even a good mother etc. We would make sure WE survived, and that WE were comfortable.

 

[Polymath257]

No it doesn't. Going along with leaders is a defence mechanism. There are very few "good" societies, that a good conscience would support. Look at the aztecs. That is one of the worst, but the others aren't much better.

Even the Aztecs had conscience promoting their values. Being a social species means that you have to act in ways that promote the society. That is exactly what conscience is.

 

[Polymath257]

If we had no conscience, we would always be jerks, because it is more natural and easier than being a courageous hero. Or even a good mother etc. We would make sure WE survived, and that WE were comfortable.

And being jerks would not lead to increased survival because other members of the society will be less likely to help you when you are in need. Being a good mother is adaptive for mammals because our young need so long to mature.