Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?

[janesix]

Mutations that survive are more likely to get to further generations.



Beneficial traits appear by mutation. Those that do not strive for survival don't pass on their genes to the next generation, so the next generation is more likely to strive for survival. Instincts arise because having some behaviors be automatic is more likely to promote those genes passing on to the next generation.

Why would something want to pass on their genes? or live, even? Why would random, or even non random, chemical systems want anything at all?

 

[janesix]

Even the Aztecs had conscience promoting their values. Being a social species means that you have to act in ways that promote the society. That is exactly what conscience is.

No, conscience is knowing right from wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If we had no conscience, we would always be jerks, because it is more natural and easier than being a courageous hero. Or even a good mother etc. We would make sure WE survived, and that WE were comfortable.

No one is denying the existence of consciences. And you do not understand evolution. Evolution does not take place on the individual level. It takes place on the population level. Traits that harm the population lower its ability to survive. Traits that help the population increase its ability to survive. A population with a lack of conscience would not out perform one with a conscience.

 

[Polymath257]

No, conscience is knowing right from wrong.

Which is taught by the society. Different societies have different notions of right and wrong, so conscience follows where someone is brought up, in large part.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would something want to pass on their genes? or live, even? Why would random, or even non random, chemical systems want anything at all?

They don't "want". Why even bring that up?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, conscience is knowing right from wrong.

And society teaches that what is good for the population is "good". The Aztecs saw themselves as moral.

 

[Polymath257]

Why would something want to pass on their genes? or live, even? Why would random, or even non random, chemical systems want anything at all?

Once again, those that do not want to don't pass on their genes. So the next generation is more likely to have the genes which promote wanting to pass on their genes.

Well, *you* are a chemical system that has desires. Why do you?

 

[rational experiences]

So why do beneficial traits "evolve"? Why is survival something that organisms strive in for? Where do instincts come from? Doesn't sound like something that would come from a meaningless universe.

The spiritual teaching.

Once only the eternal body with spirit androgynous existed.

A human tells the story as memory.

No space. No energy.

Language used by the androgynous spirit in the eternal body was used.

The language from self to self a different spirit. It came from eternal mass.

Language therefore always existed with the eternal.

First wrong spirit choice to cause change....... observed change the language.

Wondered about it.

As soon as that status was expressed O to observe....the eternal got changed.

As oooo God masses got held in observation mass eternal surrounding thinned.

How it exploded losing a portion into.a space. Ooooooo God as the language now held in mass burnt.

God bodies began higher. Our storytelling says so.

Science says whatever existed before big bang was balanced due to evidence. Was a language..... due to evidence...burst and burnt and produced energy.

Memory said higher God produced energy.

No condition to argue about what we remembered.

We once we're in the eternal spirit ourselves. Became human.

Why we know.
O God mass stone earth owned it's heavens.

All gas spirit existed. Water and oxygen mass existed.

We are not the mass presence or story.

Even thinking makes that statement. Natural history when no bio existence existed.

Then another story is imposed. Where the bio presence came from.

As we are living inside of the mass heavens not God. That teaching is correct.

You already knew that science owned no argument about self presence.
Self presence healthy highest self always was.
Self presence human....science thinker only.

Your thoughts did not invent me. I am present life human equal to you.

Your human thinking.......evil.

Why even Alchemy was banned in the human awareness that science was self destruction.

Cannot blame what natural causes when a self present human changed natural.

To falsify preaching is to claim O maths as fallout attack created life.

Natural gas burning in a natural vacuum never fell out. What light is...held also. The holy states...what was held naturally.

Humans hold their form observed about one hundred years only. Lived if supported.

Anyone dying before that time harmed.

Observed humans only exist today due to human sex.

Scientific human self observations that no one can argue against.

Otherwise you would be in pretence of our living conditions and survival.

How and why human life got sacrificed......water loss in increased radiation conditions.

Why Satanists believe in radio wave machine controlled conditions claiming they are a God O by maths design.

Another quote no bio organic form human moved through space.

Yet dimensional theists try to convince us that our body form bio organic as a human travelled through space. Then they tell you asteroid stones with organisms moved through space. Coercive persua Sion.

The theme if you are a human God then I can study bio contacts to get new energy as a resource. False theism about maths prophets.

Only energy itself moved formed in space. No human is there....we are not energy why we decompose.

Energy he quotes is never ending.

Reason. O God stone is stone and is not expressed owning an end. Just presence.

 

[Polymath257]

I was talking about messengers from pixies, not Messengers from God.
Of course there were Messengers from God before I sought them out. There have been Messengers from God since the dawn of human history.

There have been people who *claimed* or were *believed to be* messengers from some God. But why do you take their claims seriously?

If someone claimed to be a messenger from pixies, would you take them seriously?

 

[janesix]

Which is taught by the society. Different societies have different notions of right and wrong, so conscience follows where someone is brought up, in large part.

No, all conscience is the same. There is only one right and wrong way of thinking. And God gave us the way to figure out the difference.

 

[Polymath257]

Really? why? why should anything evolve past chemical reactions?

Feedback mechanisms which lead to increased complexity. Once you have reproduction and mutation, such an increase of complexity is almost automatic.

 

[janesix]

Once again, those that do not want to don't pass on their genes. So the next generation is more likely to have the genes which promote wanting to pass on their genes.

Well, *you* are a chemical system that has desires. Why do you?

Because I am a self conscious being

 

[janesix]

Feedback mechanisms which lead to increased complexity. Once you have reproduction and mutation, such an increase of complexity is almost automatic.

What about entropy.

 

[Polymath257]

No, all conscience is the same. There is only one right and wrong way of thinking. And God gave us the way to figure out the difference.

Simply false. People used to have a conscience that said that slavery was a morally good thing, promoted by God. Today, our consciences mostly disagree with that.

Conscience is taught by parents and society. it varies from place to place and from time to time.

 

[Polymath257]

What about entropy.

What about it? There is no violation of the second law of thermodynamics in evolution. There is much more entropy produced by living things than the small increases of structure seen in life.

You might want to figure out why the increase in order produced when water freezes (liquid to crystalline solid) doesn't violate the law of entropy.

 

[janesix]

Simply false. People used to have a conscience that said that slavery was a morally good thing, promoted by God. Today, our consciences mostly disagree with that.

Conscience is taught by parents and society. it varies from place to place and from time to time.

Completely wrong. Conscience is IN YOU. No one teaches it.

 

[Polymath257]

Because I am a self conscious being

Exactly. And you are *also* a collection of chemical reactions. All that shows is that *some* collections of chemical reactions are self-conscious beings with desires.

 

[Polymath257]

Completely wrong. Conscience is IN YOU. No one teaches it.

The evidence says otherwise. it *feels* like it is in you since it was taught from birth. But if you were born someplace else, your conscience would be different.

 

[janesix]

What about it? There is no violation of the second law of thermodynamics in evolution. There is much more entropy produced by living things than the small increases of structure seen in life.

You might want to figure out why the increase in order produced when water freezes (liquid to crystalline solid) doesn't violate the law of entropy.

The entirety of the universe is structured along the canonical laws.

 

[janesix]

The evidence says otherwise. it *feels* like it is in you since it was taught from birth. But if you were born someplace else, your conscience would be different.

Really? how so.

 

[Polymath257]

The entirety of the universe is structured along the canonical laws.

So? The second law isn't one of the basic ones: it is a statistical law, not a fundamental one.

Also, don't confuse natural laws, which are descriptive of the properties of things, with human laws, which are designed to punish wrong-doing and promote good behavior.

You didn't explain why freezing water doesn't violate the law of entropy.