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Do You Believe in God?

Muffled

Jesus in me
There's no way of verifying that its God speaking to you. For all you know it could be satan, or a delusion, or an experiment from an alien race.

I believe I do have a way of verifying it. I believe only God knows the future and when he gave me a prophecy that came true He proved to me that it was He talking to me. Before that I went by the promise that Jesus made in John 14 and the fact that God would not allow another to take His place.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Do you believe in God (or a supreme being higher than yourself)?
I believe that there are things "higher" than myself. Higher in the sense of eternal (existed before me, will exist after me), is infinite (reaches beyond any possibility to be understood in complexity and information that I can ever understand), it produced me both (I am a product of this world), and it spans space beyond imagination. It's the reality we live in. It's the world. It's all things that exist. That is God to me.

If you don't, then how come? What is it that you believe as far as this is concerned?

If you do, then how come? What do you call him? IS God a "him" or a "her"? And how many are there according to your belief?
Him, he, her, she, it, those, this, them, they, us, we, all. One and many. Or as Heraclitus said, "all things are one."
 
Do I believe in God? some days yes, I believe there is a God - here lately, no. If there is a God, why would there be suffering? I do not know which I believe most though; whether there is or is not a God. Then, in moments of pain, I ask God to heal the pain and stop what is ailing my heart but the pain remains. Why would God do that, if there is a God?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I believe I do have a way of verifying it. I believe only God knows the future and when he gave me a prophecy that came true He proved to me that it was He talking to me.
So you think that making sure a prophecy is fulfilled is something that isn't in Satan's skill set?
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
I believe there is a God - here lately, no. If there is a God, why would there be suffering?

But it's not like suffering is a new phenomenon. There has always been suffering.

Then, in moments of pain, I ask God to heal the pain and stop what is ailing my heart but the pain remains.

Maybe you're asking the wrong God, have you tried them all?

Why would God do that, if there is a God?

That's the $64,000 dollar question, innit?
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
Do I believe in God? some days yes, I believe there is a God - here lately, no. If there is a God, why would there be suffering? I do not know which I believe most though; whether there is or is not a God. Then, in moments of pain, I ask God to heal the pain and stop what is ailing my heart but the pain remains. Why would God do that, if there is a God?

Suffering is a natural part of life. Suffering is not only unpleasant; it's also a gift from the gods, in a sense. When you suffer, you learn from the suffering. You learn how to handle future suffering, and you learn how to avoid suffering. There is no way to completely escape pain, but one can minimize it. The more one suffers, the stronger they get. They are more in line with reality than the rich people who rarely suffer.

I'm a polytheist, partially for this reason. The Norse/Germanic Pantheon includes various deities that correspond to certain forces in nature, some of which cause suffering, others that cause pleasure. I don't believe that there is a spiritual dichotomy, everything can work both ways.
 
Well I briefly died twice in my life time and both occasions I was sent to my Divine and it was a wonderful experience. As much as I would have love to stay at that paradise it was decided by my Divine that it was not my time to cross over and was brought back to Earth to finish living my life to the fullest until it is time to finally cross over. So in summary haha, I got kicked out of Heaven twice and some of my Christian friends tease me about my unfortunate luck because of my background of being a Witch. I will say that I have no proof of what I experienced during my death was real or not, but regardless of the validity of my experience, it has made me a stronger person and hopefully kinder, and happier. I look forward to death because I know my last thoughts valid or not will be in anticipation of meeting my Divine and my family that is waiting for me on the other side. Hope my answer helps and if you ever find yourself on the other side, please don't be afraid to reach out to your Divine who will guide you during this intense process of transformation!
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
And what about this experience suggested that Satan isn't capable of making it seem like a prophecy has been fulfilled?

I believe there was no prophecy by those demons but I wasn't talking about personal experience. I was talking about what has been written. There is no evidence in the writings that Satan is capable of fulfilling a prophecy. .
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Well I briefly died twice in my life time and both occasions I was sent to my Divine and it was a wonderful experience. As much as I would have love to stay at that paradise it was decided by my Divine that it was not my time to cross over and was brought back to Earth to finish living my life to the fullest until it is time to finally cross over. So in summary haha, I got kicked out of Heaven twice and some of my Christian friends tease me about my unfortunate luck because of my background of being a Witch. I will say that I have no proof of what I experienced during my death was real or not, but regardless of the validity of my experience, it has made me a stronger person and hopefully kinder, and happier. I look forward to death because I know my last thoughts valid or not will be in anticipation of meeting my Divine and my family that is waiting for me on the other side. Hope my answer helps and if you ever find yourself on the other side, please don't be afraid to reach out to your Divine who will guide you during this intense process of transformation!

I believe it is no guarantee you actually meet any family in Heaven except for images of those you remember.

i am not sure what you mean by this or who you are talking about.

I believe this is a non-sequitur. I believe people are not sent back because they were rejected but because they had more to learn in this life. I don't doubt that being a witch will set you up for some kind of judgement but I doubt that it would be exclusion from Heaven if that is where you ought to be.

I believe it is highly unlikely that Odin or Zeus would have anything to do with a person's disposition after death so just any divine will not do.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I believe there was no prophecy by those demons but I wasn't talking about personal experience. I was talking about what has been written. There is no evidence in the writings that Satan is capable of fulfilling a prophecy. .
"The writings" meaning the Bible?

I'm pretty sure that the Bible also never mentions an elephant falling off a balance beam. Should we conclude from this that if we put an elephant on a balance beam, it won't fall off?

BTW, I'm pretty sure that the Bible describes Satan tricking people in all sorts of ways even if it doesn't mention this particular way explicitly.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
"The writings" meaning the Bible?

I'm pretty sure that the Bible also never mentions an elephant falling off a balance beam. Should we conclude from this that if we put an elephant on a balance beam, it won't fall off?

BTW, I'm pretty sure that the Bible describes Satan tricking people in all sorts of ways even if it doesn't mention this particular way explicitly.

I believe you might want to take notice of that. I am well aware of his tricks.

I don't remember what the Qur'an says about Iblis but I would consider it valid as well.

I believe you make a good point that I am positing the null hypothesis. The question is "does it seem reasonable that the Bible would leave this out considering how important it is?" I don't believe so.

On the other hand elephants walking on balance beams does not seem relevant to what God has to say about prophecy.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I believe you make a good point that I am positing the null hypothesis. The question is "does it seem reasonable that the Bible would leave this out considering how important it is?" I don't believe so.
Should we also apply this principle to the omission of "don't rape" and "don't enslave people" from the lists of commandments?
 
I believe it is no guarantee you actually meet any family in Heaven except for images of those you remember.

i am not sure what you mean by this or who you are talking about.

I believe this is a non-sequitur. I believe people are not sent back because they were rejected but because they had more to learn in this life. I don't doubt that being a witch will set you up for some kind of judgement but I doubt that it would be exclusion from Heaven if that is where you ought to be.

I believe it is highly unlikely that Odin or Zeus would have anything to do with a person's disposition after death so just any divine will not do.
Hello muffled when I said I believe that there will be family waiting for me on the other side when I cross over to the Spiritual Realm of Heaven I was referring to my Spiritual Family and not necessarily my biological one but to me it's irreverent because the love I have seen on the other side has clearly shown me that we are all part of a wonderful family to belong to if we so choose!

In regards to my joke about being rejected by Heaven, I only joked about it because of my Christian friends teasing me about not making it to Heaven because I am a Witch. In all actuality, I wasn't being sent back to Earth because of something I did right or wrong, I was told I was being sent back to Earth simply because it was not my time to cross over to Heaven/Summer Land. I hope that clarifies some of the confusion you might have had about my post?

As a Christian and as a Witch I have seen so many dimensions of God that makes me appreciate the many wonderful and complex fabric to what our Divine really is! In regards to other religious faiths or non faith for that matter, my Divine directive was not to judge people who reject the Abrahamic God, but to love them unconditionally as a family member would and to offer them a home and a family to come back to if that is something they wish.

I love the directive from my Divine, I don't have to save the world, or force my will upon anyone, I simply have to love them and have faith they will make the right decisions in their life and if they need my help, I should try to assist them in any way I can.
 
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According to the Bible we don't go anywhere when we die we just sleep in our graves awaiting resurrection. See http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-death
You know ArtieE as I lay dying I fully expected to lose consciousness and cease to exist, I kept waiting for it to happen but it never did. I was just under 22 years old when it happened to me but I was tired and ready to leave this world! My sub conscious frame of mine is an important thing to consider because theoretically I should sub consciously hallucinate death and none existence when I die because that is what I truly wanted out of this experience.

I kept asking myself "Am I dead yet? NO darn still here" Ha-Ha, so imagine my surprise to see that I just wouldn't die and then I found myself entering into a strange Quantum Quandary of being here, there everywhere and nowhere simultaneously in a place that does not exist. This was not a very pleasant experience but I entered this strange vortex with amazement and curiosity to see what would happen next. I had trouble getting my bearings, I was up, down, sideways, and time became erratic and then non existent, and while all these strange and amazing things were happening to me I didn't lose my consciousness, in fact it seemed like I was developing a super consciousness and for one brief moment I was aligned with the universe and it was an amazing feeling to have!

Then without warning everything stopped and I found myself temporary blind and unable to move, feel or hear and was completely vulnerable to my surroundings but I wasn't concerned or afraid because it seemed like my condition was temporary and I will eventually adjust to the area I was in. Then the 12 spirits came to me and even though I couldn't see them I could feel them approaching me with my mind. At first it was hard to communicate with them since we were not talking through voice but through energy thought waves and it wasn't a human language I could understand but we were communicating to each other what seemed like mathematical binary equations.

They greeted me with an incredible unconditional love I never seen before and were concerned that I was going to freak out by all the strange and unusual things that happened to me as I traveled to their domain. I tried to communicate to them that I was a strange and unusual person so that although some of the things I went through were a little overwhelming I was perfectly fine and thanked them for their kindness and incredible unconditional love they had for me. This incredible love was a very foreign thing to me, but it was so wonderful and inspirational for me to experience. I really didn't know how to thank them for the concern they had for me.

As quickly as they came to me they suddenly withdrew and began to bow down which caught me off guard? Although I couldn't see them I didn't need my eyes, I didn't need my voice for communication, and I didn't need any of my senses to know everything that was happening around me and then that royal figure came! That is what my new 12 family members were bowing down to and I felt such an overwhelming joy that my new family was able to see this magnificent Royal Figure approach them so imagine my surprise when this Royal Figure suddenly headed in my direction. It was the greatest thing that happened in my life and I was humbled and thankful such a great busy King would take the time to spend with such an insignificant person such as myself.

This kind Royal Figure came to within an inch of my face, smiled and gently told me that "You are not supposed to be here my child it is not your time to be here! I have to take you back to your body to continue your life until it is time for you to come back Home!" I tried to ask this Incredible Royal Majestic Figure what am I supposed to do when I go back to life and all He said to me was to "Live your life the best way you can, treat the people you meet with the unconditional love my subjects treated you when you arrived here and leave the difficult job of judging to Me and try not to worry if people believe in Me or not because I will always be here for you or anyone else that needs Me".

In all honesty I didn't want to leave this place it was paradise, with loving family, no fear, and complete peace and happiness but the royal figure determined I needed to come back to Earth to finish living my life so what am I to do? I had to obey His directive and I promised to try and live my life to the fullest, not to judge people and offer people hope that there is an incredible family waiting for them on the other side if they so choose to meet them.

So getting back to the original question on this article it was asked "Do You Believe In God?" I wanted to share my story so that I can offer an eye witness account of what I believed happened to me back on September 6 of 1986. This so called "Hallucination" I experienced was too elaborate for me to dismiss as wishful thinking I just don't believe my mind is creative enough to have such a detailed experience of what I been through so I have to believe what happened to me was real!

I understand some people and faiths believe that death is a sleeping process until final judgement comes, I'm just sharing that what I experienced was different from some biblical views and I fully expect to stay consciousness when it is my time to finally cross over to that wonderful place on the other side. Until that faithful day comes though, I am really enjoying my life here and living every precious drop it has for me to experience.
 
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