PearlSeeker
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Why do you think so?
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Do you believe in God?
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let the humans earn their keep...carry the donkey!
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
Maybe natural teleology.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
There are some things that are known. Many thinkers have derived some attributes of the first cause. For example it exists necessarily (not contingently). So existence is its essence - pure being.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Whatever caused this universe/multiverse I'll call "God" and pretty much just leave it at that.
Messianic Israelite
Active Member
Hi firedragon. Good afternoon. I agree with some of what you said. The tendency of mankind is always to go in the direction of rejection of Yahweh and His Laws because mankind is carnal. Nonetheless, in terms of Nietzsche, who you mention, he was indeed an atheist for his adult life and so some argue that he didn't mean that there was an Almighty who had actually died, but rather that our idea of one had. Either way, I am not old enough to recall people actually using this phraseology, although yes, I have heard of more senior people talking of this popular saying decades ago, that the Almighty is dead. People would like to believe Yahweh is dead. Unfortunantly for them, Yahweh is not this old, senile man sitting in the corner of the Universe somewhere, trembling and muttering incessantly to himself in delirium. He is very much alive and He is in control of this Universe and His mind is far greater than any of the minds that humankind has produced, even those who would be considered the great minds, the likes of Einstein, Galileo Galilei or Isaac Newton. Yahweh far outstrips them all. Has mankind been able to produce life? The closest they have gotten is a mimic of life in robotics. Do we have any idea of the sheer weight of calculations it would have taken to create even a single bacterium and all life actually, to have created it so well that they have existed all the way down to our time.
But oh no, don't give Yahweh the glory, just say evolutiondidit or bigbangdidit.
We've just finished the book of Job (a Biblical book) yesterday in my faith, the Assemblies of Yahweh, as part of our Bible Reading Program, a program which allows us to read through the entire Bible in one year. But I'd like to share some of the thoughts expressed in that book to show Yahweh's incredible power which we have only a limited knowledge of, even in our technological age.
Job 38 says:
"Then Yahweh answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now your loins like a man; For I will demand of you, and declare you to me. 4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined the measures of it, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 Upon what were the foundations of it fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone of it, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy? 8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, When it broke forth, as if it had issued out of the womb; 9 When I made clouds the garment of it, And thick darkness a swaddling-band for it, 10 And marked out for it my bound, And set bars and doors, 11 And said, To here shall you come, but no further; And here shall your proud waves be stayed? 12 Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
And caused the dayspring to know its place; 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It is changed as clay under the seal; And all things stand forth as a garment: 15 And from the wicked their light is withheld, And the high arm is broken. 16 Have you entered into the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in the recesses of the deep? 17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you? Or have you seen the gates of the shadow of death? 18 Have you comprehended the earth in its breadth? Declare, if you know it all. 19 Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And as for darkness, where is the place of it. 20 That you should take it to the bound of it, And that you should discern the paths to the house of it? 21 Doubtless, you know, for you were then born, And the number of your days is great!"
Feel free to continue to read this as well as the remaining chapters of the Book.
These are just some of the things that Yahweh speaks to Job to humble him. Evolutionists need to be humbled. They don't have a clue. When they stand before Yahweh at the Judgement Seat, they will be standing before the Power of this Universe, a Being who even the mountains quake at His presence (Isaiah 64:1-3). Saying but I thought we evolved from bacteria isn't going to bode well is it? We all have Yahweh's Word, we have evidence of His Word that it is true and we have evidence of Yahweh in the beauty and design of this planet and this Universe. Many things continue to elude scientists. The Hubble Bubble continues to dismay scientists who are seeing that it is not supporting their previously held views about the formation of heavenly bodies in the 'early' Universe. But how many turn to Yahweh? Very few unfortunately. Surely, belief in a Creator, in an Almighty, should then naturally lead to belief that He would want His will to be made known? And we have that in the Bible. We have the historical, accurate telling of events from the beginning and the events which have yet to occur and all we need to do as a people is accept Yahweh, accept Yahshua, be baptized in His Name and keep His commandments to have a place in the Kingdom to come.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Jesus was begotten. True. He is said to be the "only begotten."
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
" begotten "
"typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction."
begotten - Google Search
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It is used for/to "sire", right, please?
Regards
Generally means Jesus was unique in being the son of God in that God put Jesus directly into the womb of Mary who was a virgin. So Jesus the only one sired by God made him unique or so the lore goes.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I don't know where you get the information about "Pauline" NT Bible, so if you'd like to explain that, please go and do so. (Please, right?)
Then maybe we can go on to 'only-begotten.' (Please right again?)
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
To add to the description of 'only-begotten,' it can refer to male or female. But let's get back to that description you have to the Pauline NT. please, right?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
" begotten "
"typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction."
begotten - Google Search
Isn't it an accusation of the Pauline NT Bible, an unreliable source, as I understand, on God, Mary and (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right??
It is used for/to "sire", right, please?
Regards
" begotten "
"typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction."
begotten - Google Search
Isn't it an accusation of the Pauline NT Bible, an unreliable source, as I understand, on God, Mary and (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right??
It is used for/to "sire", right, please?
and what is that, please?
Regards
Saggath
Member
You said "We don't actually know this." I believe "we" is too inclusive.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
What is what about that, please? thank you.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Some people use that type of expression a lot here.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
John 1:18 is presented in the King James Version as, "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." The NIV translation, however, based on early third century texts, reads, "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known," with a footnote indicating that "some manuscripts" read "the only begotten Son."
I prefer "God the One and Only" myself
firedragon
Veteran Member
Well, science is not absolute. So if you are referring to absolute knowledge about the beginning of the universe using science as your epistemology, it's true that we don't have absolute knowledge of "this".
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The problem I have with the ToE is that there are no substantial facts showing the transition, for one thing, from fish to land dwellers, and yes, that includes the ideas about Tiktaalik as if somehow fish developed air breathing lungs and legs, scientists determining Tiktaalik is the answer. I just don't see it, doesn't matter how many people want to argue and tell me I'm ignorant, etc. and etc. Because for one thing, those who do cannot find any fish that have developed legs and air-breathing lungs.
OK, that's one problem. There are others.