Do you hate people?

[Quagmire]

Hate whom - reprobates? Instead of speaking in riddles, why don't you tell me what you have in mind?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, :yes: "reprobates". That's who we were talking about, remember?

And anyway your answer didn't make any sense. When you say this:

Cancer patients deserve our sympathy. Reprobates don't.

how does that justify gloating over their fate?

You still haven't answered my primary question: why would someone who thinks that he's been chosen, and that the rest of us are basically screwed, feel compelled to tell us about it? I mean what purpose would it serve?

And just an aside: just because you're confused by what I'm saying doesn't mean I'm speaking in riddles. More likely it means you're uncomfortable with the question.

 

[internationalist]

Not gloating. Just stating facts.

 

[Quagmire]

Not gloating. Just stating facts.

Question is why? You still haven't answered my question.

Put it this way: if nothing you can say or nothing anyone can do can save these people---the "reprobates"---from their fate, what purpose would it serve to tell them that they're doomed and that you and God hate them?

I mean when most Christians tell a non-christian that they're doomed, that Christian will tell you that they're doing it because they're hoping to "save" the non-christian.

But if, according to your beliefs, a damned person is damned no matter what, what purpose does it serve to tell them?

 

[Quagmire]

Not gloating. Just stating facts.

And you still haven't answered the first question I asked you: is this...

Thanks for all your responses.

As a Calvinist, I believe that most people in this world are reprobates destined for perdition; they are vile, wicked creatures, hating God and hated by God. So hating such despicable beings seems justifiable, as also inevitable.

...the standard Calvinist position?

 

[internationalist]

Question is why? You still haven't answered my question.

Put it this way: if nothing you can say or nothing anyone can do can save these people---the "reprobates"---from their fate, what purpose would it serve to tell them that they're doomed and that you and God hate them?

I mean when most Christians tell a non-christian that they're doomed, that Christian will tell you that they're doing it because they're hoping to "save" the non-christian.

But if, according to your beliefs, a damned person is damned no matter what, what purpose does it serve to tell them?

And who said anything about "gloating"?

We preach so that the elect may hear.

 

[Quagmire]

We preach so that the elect may hear.

I didn't ask you why you preach to the elect. I asked you why you feel the need to tell everyone else that they're damned.

 

[Me Myself]

What about you? Love humans or hate them?

Both actually.

While I can love specific persons, I can only hate "people" . I mean that when someone does something that REAAALY bothers me i generaly go around saying things like "WHY DO PEOPLE ARE SO ****** ******!"

I generaly detest attitudes or such things from people, but then again there is a lot to love.

Hopefully that latter one shall catch on and spread more abundantly

 

[Me Myself]

Somehow I can't convince myself that you want us to take you seriously.

For what I´ve heard, it is actually a tenet of calivinism.... the fact that they are calvinist by choice means they are elected

edit : rest of all of us will be instructed by God to pretend to be suffering in hellfire and yell "SURPRIIIIISE!" after they see the fire is a fake and we are actually in heaven with them calvinists.

God will lol, he´s been planing this for millenia

 

[Noaidi]

I hate what we do, both to ourselves and to other species. The fact that we know what we are doing, yet refuse to change, makes me think that voluntary extinction of H. sapiens is the best way forward.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

A Catholic dies and goes to heaven. He's standing at the pearly gates, and St. Peter says to him, "alright, let's go the mansion of God, and I'll show you around." So the Catholic and St. Peter walk into the mansion, and the Catholic sees lots of doors. He asks St. Peter about this. As they're walking by a door, St. Peter says "here's the Pentecostals," and inside is loud, energetic praising of God. They walk by another door, and St. Peter says, "here's the Methodists," who are solemnly singing old hymns. They walk close to another door, which is closed. The Catholic asks St. Peter, "why is this door closed?" "Sssshhhhh," says St. Peter, "those are the Calvinists, and they think they're they only ones here."

 

[Caladan]

Shalom,

As a Calvinist, I believe that humans are morally depraved, so I have nothing but contempt for them. I don't seek to hurt them, but I don't help them or even sympathize with them; they're not worth my time.

What about you? Love humans or hate them?

Thanks for participating.

Shalom (the irony of using this Hebrew word with such a negative post is evident)

lack of sympathy or not helping people sounds surreal, I have to ask how did you develop such an attitude/world view? do you only base it on the fact that you are a Calvinist?

 

[internationalist]

I didn't ask you why you preach to the elect. I asked you why you feel the need to tell everyone else that they're damned.

There could be elect among them.

 

[internationalist]

Shalom (the irony of using this Hebrew word with such a negative post is evident)

lack of sympathy or not helping people sounds surreal, I have to ask how did you develop such an attitude/world view? do you only base it on the fact that you are a Calvinist?

Since most people are morally depraved, it seems to be the only logical conclusion. Why sympathize with morally depraved creatures? Would you sympathize with a pedo?

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

There could be elect among them.

If someone is 'elect', wouldn't they come to god anyway, regardless of whether or not they heard someone preach? If god had truly chosen them, then wouldn't they be saved anyway, regardless of whether or not they actually converted, or whether or not they heard someone preach Calvinism?

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Since most people are morally depraved, it seems to be the only logical conclusion. Why sympathize with morally depraved creatures? Would you sympathize with a pedo?

Do you believe most people are morally depraved because of your theology, or do you have objective evidence that points in this direction? And, by the way, doesn't the Bible say that God saves all people, who, at the very least, comes to Jesus in faith?

 

[internationalist]

If someone is 'elect', wouldn't they come to god anyway, regardless of whether or not they heard someone preach? If god had truly chosen them, then wouldn't they be saved anyway, regardless of whether or not they actually converted, or whether or not they heard someone preach Calvinism?

God has ordained the means (us preaching) as well as the end (people being saved).

 

[internationalist]

Do you believe most people are morally depraved because of your theology, or do you have objective evidence that points in this direction? And, by the way, doesn't the Bible say that God saves all people, who, at the very least, comes to Jesus in faith?

History is the objective evidence. Then there is observation.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

God has ordained the means (us preaching) as well as the end (people being saved).

So then God's predestination is conditional on man's activities. God cannot save unless one is preached to. This takes the act of salvation out of God's hands and places it in man's.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

History is the objective evidence. Then there is observation.

And the only conclusion is Calvinism? This seems a bit presumptuous to me.

 

[internationalist]

So then God's predestination is conditional on man's activities. God cannot save unless one is preached to. This takes the act of salvation out of God's hands and places it in man's.

Nope, I said God has ordained both means and end. So our preaching is also ordained by God, so we cannot help but preach. Kind of like Jonah.