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Do You Identify as a Feminist?

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
1) What does "feminism" mean to you?

2) Do you identify as a feminist? Why or why not?

The answer to question 2 is no. This is how I explain question 1 and my answer of no for 2.

Men and Women differ by an entire chromosome; X or Y. They also differ by how the brain naturally wires itself. The male brain is more wired front to back, while the female brain is more wired side-to-side. These two affects of biology make men and women different, in and out.

The male brain is more designed to balance imagination; front of the brain, with visual reality; back of the brain. Women are more design for verbal/language needs and often better balance thought and feelings; side-by-side audio cortex. Male and female are designed to be complementary; team is more than the sum of its parts. This is based on science.

Males are more visually oriented; visual wiring, and women are more verbal/language based; verbal wiring.This why women still use makeup to appeal to the male's visual strengths even if they deny it. While males still think they need a good line of bull for some extra verbal makeup. We instinctively pander to the strengths of each other, thereby showing our awareness of each others unique strengths.

If men want to understand natural women, who use both sides of the brain, they need to realize that in women thought and emotions can occur at the same time. They need to create a balances based on the moods and the thoughts. Different moods may require a different tact, so the two sides can balance. One day, one gesture is accepted, but not the next day, due to different feeling needing to be accommodated.

If women wish to better understand the natural male, they orientate with sight and imagination, which combine visual reality, with extrapolations; education and experience, in their imagination. It is less about feelings balancing thoughts, but more about visualization and extrapolation of visual data, that can lead outside the box; new trick.

These biological and neural differences make males and female different, but complementary. Women like talk for intimacy, more that do natural guys. Guys often prefer the eye candy, over the smart girl with a nice personality; visual more than verbal. Girls will lower their visual standard for a guy who makes them laugh; verbal.

I am not a feminist, since they try to force what is unnatural onto the males and will deny natural difference optimized for each sex, via biology and neural anatomy. You cannot force males to become half males, thereby lowering the natural male floor, so feminists can to appear to raise above. This is a relative reference illusion, since it is not based on innate. This is Eve eating the wrong fruit one more time. Relationships between male and female die faster than ever before, since unnatural does not make good glue.

I would prefer if women learned to be the best women they can be without, requiring males dumb down for an illusion. Male also need to be the best they can be, which will make them different. These ideals have a secondary affect, connected to male and females able to cross program each other, to fill in the full wiring; neural cross. Half men and half women are not optimized for this upgrade, for both.

Gender preference is an extension of trying to con/force men and women to become what is not natural for each sex. Feminization did this with the neural wiring dumb down and now the Left is trying to ignore DNA. They assume if you change the superficial aspects of biology; surgery, nobody can tell the difference and the inside will also change; new clothes can make you feel pretty. This is more like an actor playing a better role with better costumes. Drag queens are over actors.

Gender choice is really about acting, until you condition yourself to become a certain type cast. It is sort of an induction from mass media and the idol worship of the actors of Hollywood. YouTube is about being on stage or filming the stage. Gender started small; he/she and she/he, but there become too many type casts, for too few roles, so the Lefty union expanded the roles for more jobs.

As an example, say I was planning a costume party. I tell all the guests, who enjoy surprises, they need to dress up in a gender role. The twist is these pronoun roles will be picked out of a hat, this weekend. Nobody knows who will be what, until after the drawing. Once we all know, we will all have one month to get our characters refined with gestures, talk and costume. Any trained actor can play any role; will and choice. Those best at acting, will more than likely be most convincing.

Instead, say we had a full year to refine these characters, through daily usage and better and better costumes; include surgery, some will look even more real all the way to type cast. They may even be able to get a part in Hollywood, playing this role, since acting is about playing a character on YouTube, TikTok or Hollywood.

I am not sure if the feminists should be pushing this, since being type cast, as a young child can limit the future of the young people. You can force then to practice any role with peer pressure. But this can be hard to play a new role, or be yourself, when life takes a turn, and you are still seen as the old role.

Has anyone gone to college, where you become a new person and then go home for the holidays, still type cast as your mom's baby? They don't want to see the new you just yet. It is better to let children be true to instinct, early and encourage that. Play that role, refine it, and you will have the support of eons of evolution, biology and your best neural wiring; the real you.
 
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Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
1) What does "feminism" mean to you?

2) Do you identify as a feminist? Why or why not?
In the US feminisms is not about supporting women's choices but about supporting an ideology. Try saying you are a feminist and be prolife, pro traditional family, stay at home mom etc. They will bully you endlessly. My wife has lived it. Successful women are only honored when they are on the left, two examples are Amy Barret & Condoleezza Rice. Sarah Palin was endlessly mocked and bullied as being an idiot but Kamala Harris is honored and she is an actual idiot. Two powerful women treated differently by "feminists" because of ideology. Compare Barret and Jackson as well. It is not about supporting women's choices but supporting women that make the "right" choices or believe the "right" things.

Just like everything else in the US right now whether it be race, gender, sex, science, education etc. it is about the lefts ideology not actually helping people and society.

I am a peoplist, supporting peoples right to freely live the life they want without bullying or worse as long as it is legal and does not harm others. Lets support people not one group at a time. After all there is not one thing a woman cannot do or accomplish in the US and men are falling behind in a lot of important areas because they are not being supported.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In the US feminisms is not about supporting women's choices but about supporting an ideology. Try saying you are a feminist and be prolife, pro traditional family, stay at home mom etc. They will bully you endlessly. My wife has lived it. Successful women are only honored when they are on the left, two examples are Amy Barret & Condoleezza Rice. Sarah Palin was endlessly mocked and bullied as being an idiot but Kamala Harris is honored and she is an actual idiot. Two powerful women treated differently by "feminists" because of ideology. Compare Barret and Jackson as well. It is not about supporting women's choices but supporting women that make the "right" choices or believe the "right" things.

Just like everything else in the US right now whether it be race, gender, sex, science, education etc. it is about the lefts ideology not actually helping people and society.

I am a peoplist, supporting peoples right to freely live the life they want without bullying or worse as long as it is legal and does not harm others. Lets support people not one group at a time. After all there is not one thing a woman cannot do or accomplish in the US and men are falling behind in a lot of important areas because they are not being supported.
I recall feminists defending Bill Clinton against
accusations of sexual impropriety & assault.
Not a courtesy they extend to Republicans, eh.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I recall feminists defending Bill Clinton against
accusations of sexual impropriety & assault.
Not a courtesy they extend to Republicans, eh.

Maybe they took the Hillary route, where she seemingly felt that if she went along with it and played the game, she'd be able to have a shot at the presidency someday.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
In the US feminisms is not about supporting women's choices but about supporting an ideology. Try saying you are a feminist and be prolife, pro traditional family, stay at home mom etc. They will bully you endlessly. My wife has lived it. Successful women are only honored when they are on the left, two examples are Amy Barret & Condoleezza Rice. Sarah Palin was endlessly mocked and bullied as being an idiot but Kamala Harris is honored and she is an actual idiot. Two powerful women treated differently by "feminists" because of ideology. Compare Barret and Jackson as well. It is not about supporting women's choices but supporting women that make the "right" choices or believe the "right" things.

Just like everything else in the US right now whether it be race, gender, sex, science, education etc. it is about the lefts ideology not actually helping people and society.

I am a peoplist, supporting peoples right to freely live the life they want without bullying or worse as long as it is legal and does not harm others. Lets support people not one group at a time. After all there is not one thing a woman cannot do or accomplish in the US and men are falling behind in a lot of important areas because they are not being supported.

Condoleezza Rice was an aide to Bush and Cheney, two bona fide war criminals. She was a mouthpiece of one of the most warmongering and criminal administrations in the history of the US, who all participated in killing half a million Iraqis. It seems to me that she's an example to shun and learn not to repeat, not one to celebrate or regard as a feminist icon.

Amy Coney Barrett voted to reverse Roe v. Wade and take away the reproductive rights of millions of women in the process. This isn't even a matter of which political camp she's on; it's a matter of the harm she has done to many other women and girls through her position of power. The fact that a 10-year-old rape victim had to travel between states just to get an abortion is a dark reflection on Amy Coney Barrett and the other justices who voted to reverse Roe v. Wade. It doesn't seem to me to be something to celebrate in the slightest, at least not for anyone who values human rights and dignity.

As for Sarah Palin, this is the same unhinged person who supported waterboarding. Do you think someone with these morals or worldview should be upheld as a feminist example of success? I don't. In fact, if she were upheld as such, I think that would be a moral and intellectual failure on the part of the feminist movement.

I do believe that people should be able to live however they want as long as they harm no one. The moment they act as a mouthpiece for killing over half a million people, participate in reversing federal protection of reproductive rights and harm millions of women in the process, or support waterboarding not even several years after their country's administration widens use of torture overseas, they become complicit in harming others and therefore can't really claim that the effects of their views are limited to them or their own families. Of course the feminist movement doesn't embrace people like them.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Staff member
Premium Member
Try saying you are a feminist and be prolife, pro traditional family, stay at home mom etc.
Probably because traditionalists and pro life groups have worked so hard to limit freedoms for hundreds of years, so people are reticent to support the bludgeons that have and are being used to beat people.

Personaly I have no problem with any of those things so long as I'm not forced to be a part of it. But the fact of the matter is I am. Reproductive rights are being stripped from me in legislature every year, I wasn't allowed to get sterilized because the assumption was I would want children 'someday.' And there are still people trying to take away my choice to marry the sex and gender of my choice to this day.
I am a peoplist, supporting peoples right to freely live the life they want without bullying or worse as long as it is legal and does not harm others. Lets support people not one group at a time. After all there is not one thing a woman cannot do or accomplish in the US and men are falling behind in a lot of important areas because they are not being supported
This is the same sort of BS as 'I dont see races' people say. Claiming they're egalitarian but really just wanting to ignore the inequalities that already exist. Because theoretical or legally permissive opportunity doesn't translate to actual opportunity. And women get bullied out of industries seen as male dominated all the time.

Meanwhile men are being hurt by their own casual misogyny by framing awareness and sensitivity to mental and emotional health struggles as 'unmanly, weak, girly.'
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Amy Coney Barrett voted to reverse Roe v. Wade and take away the reproductive rights of millions of women in the process.
Is it not possible to be a feminist & "pro-life"?
I can understand that if someone believes the
fetus to have a right to life, then opposing
abortion would be a view a feminist could have.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Is it not possible to be a feminist & "pro-life"?
I can understand that if someone believes the
fetus to have a right to life, then opposing
abortion would be a view a feminist could have.

If they believe that the harm done to women by denying them reproductive health care doesn't interfere with feminism, then sure. Personally, I think it's fundamentally against women's and girls' rights to enable laws that end up resulting in things like a 10-year-old girl's being forced to travel states for an abortion.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If they believe that the harm done to women by denying them reproductive health care doesn't interfere with feminism, then sure. Personally, I think it's fundamentally against women's and girls' rights to enable laws that end up resulting in things like a 10-year-old girl's being forced to travel states for an abortion.
If one believes the fetus has no right to life,
then your perspective makes sense. But we
must recognize the other view, & that abortion
causes great harm. To them, feminism is
consistent with feminism, especially since about
half of aborted "babies" are female.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
If one believes the fetus has no right to life,
then your perspective makes sense. But we
must recognize the other view, & that abortion
causes great harm. To them, feminism is
consistent with feminism, especially since about
half of aborted "babies" are female.

People believe all kinds of things. I think practical outcomes matter the most. I never said Amy Coney Barrett was insincere in her belief that a fetus is equivalent to a full-grown human; it's just a belief that has resulted in tangible harm for millions of women via poor legislative decisions.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
People believe all kinds of things.
Well...that clears it all up.
I think practical outcomes matter the most.
Practical for whom, the mother or the fetus?
I never said Amy Coney Barrett was insincere in her belief that a fetus is equivalent to a full-grown human; it's just a belief that has resulted in tangible harm for millions of women via poor legislative decisions.
I see feminism differently. It includes people with
different views on when a right to life begins.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Practical for whom, the mother or the fetus?

I'm going with the mother. Otherwise we end up with situations like that of the girl who had to travel states for the abortion.

I see feminism differently. It includes people with
different views on when a right to life begins.

Sure, just as it includes TERFs and misandrists. That doesn't mean they have to be celebrated or held up as icons of the movement.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm going with the mother. Otherwise we end up with situations like that of the girl who had to travel states for the abortion.



Sure, just as it includes TERFs and misandrists. That doesn't mean they have to be celebrated or held up as icons of the movement.
I'm not celebrating anyone. Just recognizing
the diversity of beliefs among feminists.

It's not in our purview to designate who can &
can't be one based upon our personal views of
issues such as...
When does life begin?
When does the right to life begin?
Does the fetus have a soul?
Is affirmative action moral?
Should government pay for child care?
The list goes on & on.

Differing views of such things could
lead feminists in different directions.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not celebrating anyone. Just recognizing
the diversity of beliefs among feminists.

It's not in our purview to designate who can &
can't be one based upon our personal views of
issues such as...
When does life begin?
When does the right to life begin?
Does the fetus have a soul?
Is affirmative action moral?
Should government pay for child care?
The list goes on & on.

Differing views of such things could
lead feminists in different directions.

I wasn't responding to any posts designating Amy Coney Barrett, Condleezza Rice, or Sarah Palin as feminists. In fact, I suspect at least two of those three women would object to being called a "feminist." Rather, I was expressing why I don't think they should be celebrated by any feminist movement that prioritizes human rights and dignity.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Condoleezza Rice was an aide to Bush and Cheney, two bona fide war criminals. She was a mouthpiece of one of the most warmongering and criminal administrations in the history of the US, who all participated in killing half a million Iraqis. It seems to me that she's an example to shun and learn not to repeat, not one to celebrate or regard as a feminist icon.

Amy Coney Barrett voted to reverse Roe v. Wade and take away the reproductive rights of millions of women in the process. This isn't even a matter of which political camp she's on; it's a matter of the harm she has done to many other women and girls through her position of power. The fact that a 10-year-old rape victim had to travel between states just to get an abortion is a dark reflection on Amy Coney Barrett and the other justices who voted to reverse Roe v. Wade. It doesn't seem to me to be something to celebrate in the slightest, at least not for anyone who values human rights and dignity.

As for Sarah Palin, this is the same unhinged person who supported waterboarding. Do you think someone with these morals or worldview should be upheld as a feminist example of success? I don't. In fact, if she were upheld as such, I think that would be a moral and intellectual failure on the part of the feminist movement.

I do believe that people should be able to live however they want as long as they harm no one. The moment they act as a mouthpiece for killing over half a million people, participate in reversing federal protection of reproductive rights and harm millions of women in the process, or support waterboarding not even several years after their country's administration widens use of torture overseas, they become complicit in harming others and therefore can't really claim that the effects of their views are limited to them or their own families. Of course the feminist movement doesn't embrace people like them.
Right, you don't support women because they are women. You support women that you agree with politically or morally. So why be a feminist? People that call themselves feminists don't support women because they are women but because the women believe certain things.
 
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