Do you KNOW God does not exist?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hmm, I voted 100%, but I don't know God 100% doesn't exist. I just know 100% that it doesn't matter and know 100% that I acquire no value for speculating the existence of an entity thats only mention was from the mouths of people.

I finally voted. I said "I know He doesn't exist". I recognize that all human knowledge is imperfect and that we might all just be brains in vats, yadda yadda, but:
- if we're all brains in vats together, then whatever you think you're worshipping doesn't actually exist.
- if it's just me in a vat and you're all just stimuli being fed into my brain, then you don't exist and therefore don't actually worship anything.
- "brain in a vat"-type limitations on knowledge are a problem for any knowledge claim. I don't think we have to throw away normal usage in this case alone.

 

[Willamena]

Where are you getting the idea that gods aren't necessarily worshipped?

Probably because not every theist worships them?

 

[dust1n]

I finally voted. I said "I know He doesn't exist". I recognize that all human knowledge is imperfect and that we might all just be brains in vats, yadda yadda, but:
- if we're all brains in vats together, then whatever you think you're worshipping doesn't actually exist.
- if it's just me in a vat and you're all just stimuli being fed into my brain, then you don't exist and therefore don't actually worship anything.
- "brain in a vat"-type limitations on knowledge are a problem for any knowledge claim. I don't think we have to throw away normal usage in this case alone.

I don't think I claim to know anything %100, nor do I suspect anyone can know anything to that degree. But most things that I can't know to be %100 wrong, or whatever, I can recognize most of things are %100 are entirely irrelevant of me and my opinions on them. On these matters, I don't see what the difference between %99.9999... certainty and %100 certainty actually is or why it matters.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Probably because not every theist worships them?

Can you give an example of a god that isn't worshipped by any theist?

 

[Willamena]

Can you give an example of a god that isn't worshipped by any theist?

No, but the relevant example would be theists that don't worship what they consider to be god. Like deists.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, but the relevant example would be theists that don't worship what they consider to be god. Like deists.

You think that no deists worship their god? Interesting.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Can you give an example of a god that isn't worshipped by any theist?

(Pardons) If you go to the pagan DIR youll find people, poly thiest for example, who believe in pre christiand and/or mythological Gods ajnd say they dont worship them. God is not defined by an entity needing to be worshiped. Many gods have a lot of characteristics that to a believer would be unpleasing to worship. God is not always an entity to some people. Therefore, worship in the traditional sense is illogical.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hmm, I voted 100%, but I don't know God 100% doesn't exist. I just know 100% that it doesn't matter and know 100% that I acquire no value for speculating the existence of an entity thats only mention was from the mouths of people.

I agree. I feel God (as an entity) existing is a claim believers need to justify and believe. If it is a part of their mind (which it is) they may devalue it for some reason. Buddhists know that our Buddha nature is our mind. It does not exisf outside ourselves. Without the mind, thered be no definition of God. God seems to have many human like attributes. He also has attributes that believers want to have (perfection, ever lasting life). He does things for motives humans do (kill to take over lands), like kings and parents he has dictatorahip.

The only evidence, if I wanted one, for God(abrahamic, hindu (if they are entities), pagan gods, etc) is if they posess any characteristics that are unique to them--separate from our wants, needs and what we believe, and know.

Until then, he remains just a claim or idea in my head and others. Nothing wrong with that. I just find it uneasy when people dont know it themselves.

 

[psychoslice]

Yes God doesn't exist, now prove me wrong, yea yea.

 

[Thief]

You failed to address my question. God has control over everything, so why would God want people to fail to "gel". I, of course, know why they wouldn't gel. My question is why would God want this to happen.

Not want.....allows.....

 

[Thief]

You failed to address my question. God has control over everything, so why would God want people to fail to "gel". I, of course, know why they wouldn't gel. My question is why would God want this to happen.

You failed to realize your questions are not pivot points.

Go back and read it again.

 

[`mud]

One would have to imagine that there is any "God's" to have 'wants'.
What would any "God" ever want or desire, when it already controls everything ?
I find the circle of this conversation to be somewhat confusing,
but....consider my ignorance in the discussion anyway.
~
'mud

 

[Willamena]

A sixth option?

I chose the fifth option for its inherent contradiction.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes God doesn't exist, now prove me wrong, yea yea.

I suppose God could be proven to exist....

Lets see....


Ah ha.....

Give it a moment........

There. ....

GOD

beautiful.


God exists as a word on screen.

For now anyways.

=0]

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I chose the fifth option for its inherent contradiction.

Contradiction?

 

[Willamena]

Contradiction?

Yeah. "Yes, "I know god does exist," in answer to, "Do you know god does not exist?"

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yeah. "Yes, "I know god does exist," in answer to, "Do you know god does not exist?"

Em. Should be no, huh? Ratz. EDIT I guess forget the question and just choice what option best fits your faith.

 

[Willamena]

Em. Should be no, huh? Ratz. EDIT I guess forget the question and just choice what option best fits your faith.

So, now I can't choose that one anymore? Darn...

 

[Cephus]

Nobody "knows" that God exists or does not exist, knowledge requires some rational basis in fact. You also cannot prove a universal negative, hence there is no way to disprove universal gods. You can only dismiss gods that are irrational or inherently contradictory in their construction as non-existent..

 

[Willamena]

Nobody "knows" that God exists or does not exist, knowledge requires some rational basis in fact.

If it's a fact that you don't know, then fine, but if you've defined "god," as many people have, then it's a fact that you know. It's foolish to say that "no one knows," especially if you don't know it's a fact.

You also cannot prove a universal negative, hence there is no way to disprove universal gods. You can only dismiss gods that are irrational or inherently contradictory in their construction as non-existent..

I can't imagine what a 'universal negative' is, but the universe is positive, so it shouldn't be a problem.