Do you see God as bad ?

[firedragon]

Whenever someone achieves something impactful in here, the very first thing they say is: Thanks to God!

Thank God you made that comment.

 

[Aštra’el]

This is like asking, “Is war good or bad?”, or “Is sex good or bad?”. Or, “Is ambition good or bad? Is honor good or bad?” . I would not use “good” or “bad” to describe any of these things. You might even ask: “Is creation good or bad? Is destruction good or bad? What about chaos, or order? Are they good or bad?” Again, I tend not to use “good” or “bad” when describing these things, or when describing my God(s).

What about me? Am I good or bad?

I consider myself neither... though, plenty of people might make a convincing case for the use of either of those adjectives when describing me. Realistically though, I am not so different than any other human. “Good” and “bad” are meaningless. We are what we are. Human Nature is complicated.

I will say though. I think my God(s) are awesome, in all aspects. I resonate with them more than anything else in the cosmos and that is where my deepest loyalty is. Not because they are “good” or “bad”, but because they are awesome, and they represent everything I strive to be.

 

[Audie]

Are God bad because you disagree with what God does, or because God does not do what YOU want him to do?
Do you believe God should follow what you want him to do for you, or would you gain what you wish for if you chose to do as God ask of human beings?

As a character in a book, God is a psycho.

 

[Spirit of Light]

This is like asking, “Is war good or bad?”, or “Is sex good or bad?”. Or, “Is ambition good or bad? Is honor good or bad?” . I would not use “good” or “bad” to describe any of these things. You might even ask: “Is creation good or bad? Is destruction good or bad? What about chaos, or order? Are they good or bad?” Again, I tend not to use “good” or “bad” when describing these things, or when describing my God(s).

What about me? Am I good or bad?

I consider myself neither... though, plenty of people might make a convincing case for the use of either of those adjectives when describing me. Realistically though, I am not so different than any other human. “Good” and “bad” are meaningless. We are what we are. Human Nature is complicated.

I will say though. I think my God(s) are awesome, in all aspects. I resonate with them more than anything else in the cosmos and that is where my deepest loyalty is. Not because they are “good” or “bad”, but because they are awesome, and they represent everything I strive to be.

I understand your view.
A reason why this OP was made is because of other OP`s that has been in the forum the last week, where people was able to critique openly different religious teachings. and some of the comments that was amed at God/Allah got me wondering about why even people who do not believe in God seem to think they know what a God should say or do.
But this OP is not a critique of those people, they were only the inspiration for this OP. I can not say what others should believe

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Not at all. I asked if a God that is into slicing pregnant women in two is good or bad. That is a simple question. Many believe it was good, and many believe that that God is not the real one.

but since that God is worshipped by billions, I think it is proper to ask.

ciao

- viole

Well, that is subjective as far as I can tell. As for real I don't believe in that having an objective referent just I don't believe that God has an objective referent.

 

[viole]

Well, that is subjective as far as I can tell. As for real I don't believe in that having an objective referent just I don't believe that God has an objective referent.

You mean that asking questions is subjective?

ciao

- viole

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I was brought up in a religion, a fairly benign one I admit.

I follow no one; I respect a few people but not everything they do and say do I agree with.
If you mean, do I and rational people make mistakes and bad judgements, then yes. But hopefully I learn from it and do not repeat the error.

No, I want objective evidence for the fact that there are rational people.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You mean asking questions is subjective?

ciao

- viole

No, good and bad are subjective as far as I can tell. Just as God and real.

 

[viole]

No, good and bad are subjective as far as I can tell. Just as God and real.

Well, yes. And?

ciao

- viole

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well, yes. And?

ciao

- viole

Nothing more. We agree that good, bad, God and real are subjective.

 

[viole]

Nothing more. We agree that good, bad, God and real are subjective.

Yes, with the possible exception of real. Which is a misleading word.

ciao

- viole

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I hope I'm saying this right.

I can't speak for all non-believers (someone who doesn't believe X is true) because not all non-believers are atheists they just the former have biases over the abrahamic god. Let's say non-believer means atheist (someone who does not believe god exists).

A believer-say John Doe-believes a creator exist. He defines a creator, say, as an entity who shaped the world into being. The creator is also grand and a mystery. We (he believes) are called to worship the creator because that is saying thank you for our very existence.

A non-believer (atheist in this case)-Jane Doe-does not have a conception of John Doe's god. She can't and does know it personally to make any opinion on the person. How do you make an opinion about a family member you've never met (nonetheless know anything about but what a stranger told you and what they say is written in a book you're not familiar with).

Non-believers (Jane) isn't disbelieving in John Doe's god. She doesn't know it. She's disbelieving in the "idea" of god that is presented by people who believe in it and what they read. So, "I don't believe in god" doesn't mean "I don't believe on Conscious Thought's god." It means "I don't believe in the concept of CT god and what is written about it."

Disbelief (to those who are ignorant of god/a creator's existence) is not disbelieving in a particular god just the idea of one.

-with that said-

Are God bad because you disagree with what God does, or because God does not do what YOU want him to do?

The idea or concept of god as I experienced it in christianity is not bad. I disagree with christian theology and their concept of god (as being jesus). If I believed in god, it would be outside the christian religion. Though I don't believe there is a creator to form any reason to be for or against it.

Going by my explanation above section, I can only say an idea or concept is bad or distasteful but not CT's god itself. (Kind of like making an opinion about a friend you don't have)

Do you believe God should follow what you want him to do for you, or would you gain what you wish for if you chose to do as God ask of human beings?

If there were a creator, I honestly wouldn't know how to interpret it. But, to understand the question, you're going by your conception of god not the definition of god itself as presented by the Islam tradition (because I remember you saying you only speak of your experiences and not Islam as a whole). Therefore, it's hard to answer because without an idea or concept of what (or who) your god is, how would we know if he should follow what we say?

In respects the question doesn't make sense. It assumes non-believers know god well enough to say whether or not he he should follow what we say or vis versa.

Are God bad because you disagree with what God does, or because God does not do what YOU want him to do?

Depends on what god is. We can disagree with the idea of god (taking out women and children for one's promise land) but that's not just what is written. It's the concept a nonbeliever, like Jane, derives from scripture but it can't be god itself because that concept is has no manifestation in reality (for her).

If anything, god killing women and children in the OT is contrary to what most christians define as god. So, with all these definitions, how would Jane (or why would Jane) see god as good or bad?

The idea, yes. Why would someone believe in something that kills others to make a point? But the actual god-impossible.

Do you believe God should follow what you want him to do for you, or would you gain what you wish for if you chose to do as God ask of human beings?

No. But to be honest, the questions sound more like (how to say) the readers are ignorant (not knowing) of the "real" god therefore, any bad opinions about god (the idea/concept) you're interpreting it as an attack on your god.

Which kind of makes sense because if Jane (nonbeliever) said "I don't believe in god's existence" and you have no other conception of what god is but what you know, you'd interject your definition to that word. But, all in all, I think most people has the idea of the christian god in their minds. I'm not sure the difference between Islam's view of god and christianity (non-trinitarian view), but I wonder if Islam has its own interpretation (as christianity has theirs) or is it like Hinduism, each person's interpretation (not meaning) is different based on the individual follower.

 

[PureX]

Are God bad because you disagree with what God does, or because God does not do what YOU want him to do?
Do you believe God should follow what you want him to do for you, or would you gain what you wish for if you chose to do as God ask of human beings?

These are excellent questions that every human should be asking themselves.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well, do you think that ordering ripping apart pregnant women with a sword, dashing kids against walls, etc. Is good, or bad?

ciao

- viole

In the bible? (Quran even?)

 

[viole]

In the bible? (Quran even?)

Yes. The Bible. I believe the question was abstracting from the belief system.

ciao

- viole

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Whenever someone achieves something impactful in here, the very first thing they say is: Thanks to God!

 

[Polymath257]

Are God bad because you disagree with what God does, or because God does not do what YOU want him to do?
Do you believe God should follow what you want him to do for you, or would you gain what you wish for if you chose to do as God ask of human beings?

Since I don't believe any Gods exist, this is a question about a fictional entity. So, professor Moriarty was a bad guy in the Sherlock Holmes stories.

I consider genocide to be evil. So, when God promotes genocide in certain religious texts, I see the character of God in those texts to be evil. The same is true for slavery and the suppression of women.

So, the God presented in certain texts is, in my mind, evil because of the actions taken and promoted. It isn't just that I disagree with the actions. It is that I see the actions taken as evil in and of themselves.

 

[Polymath257]

When you say religion can be really bad, do you mean the teaching, or the people who follow the teaching is the once who are bad?

Both. The teaching can be evil. The people who follow an evil teaching then become evil.

 

[Polymath257]

Disagreeing with a God is something many do But there are many who think that they can put them self above God and say what God do wrong because it does not fit the person.
I think without judging those who do this, I personally not sure i understand how especially believers can put them self above God. But when it comes to those who do not be live, i can understand why they think like that

I think it is a matter of having moral standards. Those standards apply to Gods as well as humans. So, if God breaks those standards, then God is bad. If God is bad enough, then God is evil.

 

[Polymath257]

Did God ask someone to do that? Or did someone just say that God asked someone to do that?

People believe that God told them to do that. Those people believe in an evil God.

Now, it is quite possible those people are mistaken in their beliefs.