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Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?
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Shad
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it's your mistake
Nope as I understand what the symbol means and you do not. Work on your English. Besides you have admitted you did not understand what the symbol was thus you admitted to your own mistake.You use the symbol to be two different things which makes your argument a mess and moot. You change what you mean ad hoc after I point out your error. Try again son.
As I said you are incoherent.
I don't care about 'atheism ideology' - certain things are observable and scientifically verified. I don't see how it contradicts what that video said, but then I also don't see why what the Youtube video said should bind me.
As for the Flickr stuff - that's a series of pictures with captions. I don't see how it's meant to be particularly meaningful. The concept 'sterile matter' doesn't mean much either.
Why so many people who follow Islam and, to an extent, Christianity insist on adopting dogmas which put them at odds with plainly observable phenomena which can be described scientifically is rather beyond me.
You have no intention of learning the meaning of these English words?
I think right now he doesn't care that he doesn't understand, he's just trolling you.
Shad
Veteran Member
Probably as his MO is not to understand topics he creates then to troll people that disagree. He is a parrot merely repeating things he heard but has no understanding of what he heard.
Shad
Veteran Member
Indoctrination is a powerful tool. Once you understand this you will understand why some of these people are incapable of moving beyond their indoctrination. They have far too much emotional baggage and investment to change. Besides consider his location, it is not known for education nor tolerance but the opposite. It is not the type of environment that is going to produce skeptics nor embrace skepticism but rather fundamentalism (not to be confused with radicalism).
For my first impression about Hinduism you gave me much contradictions.
When you said "abiogenesis " is origin of life ,life begun by one cell,that pro-atheism.
Most of Atheists adopt that that word.
You lie,Abiogenesis as origin of life is not proved,they are lie,there is no produce live from non-live. there is not observation or scientific confirmation at this point.
Abiogenesis explained and discredited
From my discussion with you I discover that Hinduism is adopting weird beliefs,and full of contradictions,much non sense.
Anyway,everyone is free in his/her belief.
Forget it.
Hindus believe different things. Hinduism is just a label anyway. God is more important than religion.
No, it isn't pro-atheism. That doesn't make any sense.
Proved? Certainly not, proof is the domain of maths, not biology.
Life is an arbitrary category. Is a virus alive?
As for the video - it starts off with the assumption that the spontaneous generation of complex proteins is necessary for life to begin, when in fact it seems more likely that ribonucleic acids and lipids started things off. These are much simpler substances.
Well if you take all Hindus as the same, yes, that makes sense. But many Hindus believe different things. You should focus on being a good Muslim anyway, rather than dickering about with other religions.
As I say, I've spoken to Muslims who believe just as I do - that God is Consciousness, is all that exists and is the true nature of the Self.
Also, remember, you've been taught since you were a baby that all religions and beliefs except mainstream Sunni Islam are nonsense - is it a surprise you would find this to be so when you got older, when you've have it drummed into you your whole life?
Calling Hindusm a monotheism,and worship idols,that does not belong to God,God don't deliver contradiction messages.
I gave it many sources how atheists adopt abiogenesis to deny God.
I don't post a lie here ,It's very known,reject it is just embrassing your self.
There is no Muslim agree that hinduism is monotheism religion.
There is no Muslim agree with theory of abiogenesis is origin of life.
I think Muslims that you always meet are exclusives, don't represent majority.
I remember yesterday someone call his religion "satanic Islam" posted in Islam DIR, he said that his Islamic view lol
Not all Hindus worship idols. I worship God through an idol myself. You face towards the Kaaba. I face towards an idol. Big difference.
How you can use abiogenesis to deny God, I don't know. I believe in God and accept abiogenesis.
Not all Hindus are monotheists. Many are. If no Muslims think there can be monotheism in Hinduism then no Muslims know much about it. Fortunately, in reality there are Muslims who are better informed than you are.
I doubt that, there are 1.6 billion Muslims. I don't see why abiogenesis can't have occurred by the will of God.
Who does represent the majority? I'm not sure there is one. Yeah, I've never come across anybody calling themselves a Satanist Muslim before, but each to their own.
The Muslims I've come across saying these things are primarily associated with the Naqshbandis, although the same views are also par for the course among Mevlevis, Chishtis and some others. Many non-denominationals and groups like Bektashis and Ismailis too, I think.
Kaaba is just religious place,and orientation, not Idol of Allah.
It's know as that way,I post videos and links talking about.
Tell this to an sincer atheist, he will be surpise and big joke to him.
theory of abiogenesis as origin of life,is not fact. there is much doubt about, and call it impossible.
We have golden role maybe Jews and Christian agree on, worship idol=polytheism.
That not just Muslims, many others believers reject abiogenesis.
This is what happened!
majority represent majority, you odd Muslims don't represent majority.
just google it or made thread about if you don't believe me, or I will made thread for you,I have no problem.
What things they saying exactly ?
It's not such a difference really. It's just facing in a direction. Really, putting any attributes upon God is idolatry, we've just gotta deal with it.
Right, well nevertheless many theists accept abiogenesis and evolution.
That's an incorrect use of an English term. Polytheism is the belief in multiple gods.
And many don't!
Right, but what is the majority? Are you the majority, or are you a minority? What do the majority of Muslims agree on? What do all Muslims agree on?
Tawhid means unity of all things within God, so nothing exists but God. God being Consciousness. General apophatic nondualistic philosophy, really. Apophatic theology is when you don't think human ideas can capture God, so you can describe Him only by what He is not. It's quite widespread among experiential groups.
It's different actually, idolatry is kind forbiden in monotheism top religions,Islam and Judaism and maybe Christianity.
As origin of life?
I suspect it's very very rare.
maybe atheists are totally agree with.
In our view , idols means multi gods.
You will be luck if you find a Muslim here in RF agree with abiogenesis as origin of life.
99.99%
Muslims agree on worship idols is polytheism.
Muslims don't agree with abiogenesis as origin of life, we agree on creation individuals.
99% of atheists agree on abiogenesis is origin of life.
I gave you the definition of Tawhid.
I told you before this very rare, I never heard about before,just from you,not commun you are in 0,01% , or maybe less.
It's a convenient fiction, but everyone is an idolater if they have their own conceptions around God. It's just mental idols rather than physical idols. As long as one is aware of that and uses it on your journey, it's healthy enough, although many great saints have been wise to disavow it so people don't get caught up in it. This is why historically in some traditions we've seen such vehement disavowal of physical idols.
I don't know about what atheists agree with, but the emergence of life as a chemical process and the will of God in its creation aren't incompatible at all.
Why?
Abiogenesis and God's creation of life aren't incompatible. Yeah, maybe so.
How is worship of idols necessarily polytheism? If you only believe in one God, how are you a polytheist?
Well, you gave me your understanding of it. Other Muslims do not see it as you do. I don't know about percentages - does the amount of people who believe something impact whether it is true?
You live in a particular homogenous society without the greatest of variation in public discourse - what you have experienced to be common may well not represent global Islam.
I told you facts.
That's your opinion,that's will not change the facts.
Really, you don't know, or just is this dishonesty sign ?
That's our belief.
That's your belief
Consider an Idol a God or form of God is polytheist. in Abrahamic religion in general .
I told that's rare,and odd, it's not commun
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Well I was more discussing people's experience, it's not about some dogma. So your response isn't really applicable. I'm talking about what idolatry really is, and how we all participate in it.
Atheists are very variable. Just being an atheist doesn't bind you to anything else. Why do you keep suspecting me of being willfully dishonest?
Yeah!
Do you know what the word polytheist means?
Meh, maybe. I know it's pretty mainstream among Sufis, and in the UK most Muslims are Sufi to some degree. Maybe Algeria is different, but these kinds of understandings as the deeper levels of Islamic understanding are gonna be very widespread in many parts of the world, including in South Asian Islamic communities, parts of Sub-Saharan Africa where the tariqats are strong, perhaps in Central Asian areas etc.
It's 'common', incidentally.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
And yet there will always be some sort of religious merchandise, ancient or modern, that is used to remind one of the divine. Just how it works.
And theists.
I get abiogenesis just fine. What I don't understand at all is how we say we are made from dirt or whatever with a straight face and then denounce the idea we came from nonliving materials. Just seems a bit hypocritical, is all.
Well, YOU can't wrap your mind around it. MUST be impossible, then ....
Out of what? Out of what did living individuals come?
The only way this possibly works is if you consider an idol a false god, so to worship it and the "true" god is polytheism. At any rate, "Poly" means "many" and "theism" means "of god(s)." It has NOTHING to do with idols.
You could be a polytheist and be against the use of idols!
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I mean, it's like complaining that your religion is against ice cream and so you're forbidden to drink orange juice ...