Do you think I should?

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Unfortunately, whether you will hate me or not, I see pacifist Muslims as part of the harm to the Ummah, and to be evil but again, I see all opponents of Iran around the world to be hell-worthy forever.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Salam

Concsious thoughts. Some kind of gift to God aside from spiritual battle to see him and believe in him in form of striving in his way (Jihad) is an obligation. This doesn't mean you a join an army or support one, but it does not mean you don't either. You have to assess political ground and participate.

This is the sermon of Imam Hussain (a):

O people, take lessons from the matters that God has cited as warnings for His disciples when he dispraised the rabbis in His saying:

Why did the men of God and rabbis not forbid them from following their sinful words and their consuming of unlawful gains? [159]

The unbelievers among the Israelites, because of their disobedience and transgression, were condemned by David and Jesus, the son of Mary, for their disobedience; they were transgressors. They did not prevent each other from committing sins nor would they themselves stay away from them. Evil was what they had done! [160]

God dishonored them because they did not forbid the wrongdoers from doing evil and committing sins while they were among them, for they had desired for gaining more gifts from the wrongdoers and they had feared them. God says:

Do not be afraid of people but have fear of Me. [161]

The believers, both male and female, are each other's guardians. They try to make others do good and prevent them from committing sins. [162]

God has begun with enjoining good and forbidding evil because He has known that if these two matters are carried out thoroughly, all the other obligatory duties, including the easy and the difficult, will be carried out thoroughly. This is because enjoining good and forbidding evil is advocacy to Islam, restoration of the grievances, opposition of the wrongdoer, (just) allotment of the booty and the spoils, and taking the alms to put them in their proper places.
You are the company that are famous for knowledge, mentioned in goodness, renowned with advice, and respected by people through God. The masters stand in awe of you, the weak honor you, and those whom you have not done favors and who do not need you prefer you to others. You intercede for settling people’s needs when they are deprived. You walk in the ways with gravity of kings and dignity of celebrities. You have attained all these just because you are expected to fulfill the rights of God; yet, you omitted most of His rights when you disregarded the rights of the Imams, threw away the rights of the weak, and sought only your claimed rights. You have not spent any wealth, risked your souls for their Creator, or opposed your clan for sake of God. You are looking forward to gaining Paradise, the neighborhood of God’s apostles, and the salvation from His punishment. I anticipate you, who hope God, will suffer a form of God’s retribution because you, through the favors of God, have attained such a rank by which you are preferred to other. You are respected among people by means of God. However, you notice that the traditions of God are omitted, but you do not move for it, while you may move when any of your fathers’ traditions is violated. The traditions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his family) are broken. The blind, the deaf, and the chronically ill are left without help in the cities. You neither behave mercifully nor do you use your positions. You do not aid those who assume such deeds and you achieve your safety from the wrongdoers (or the unjust rulers) by means of flattery and cajolery. God has warned you against all these conducts but you are negligent while you will be responsible more than the others because you enjoy the positions of scholars. Had you only felt of so! Moreover, the courses of affairs and rulings are under the control of the scholars who are the keepers of the legal and the illegal affairs of God. This standing is surely seized from you just because you have gone in different direction away from the right and disagreed about the Sunna after the clear exposition of the evidences. If you tolerated the harm and bore the burdens for God’s sake, all the affairs of God would arrive at your hands, emanate from you, and devolve upon you. But you have made the unjust rulers occupy your positions and handed over the affairs of God to them. They are acting suspiciously and pursuing their passions. Your escape from death and adherence to this life, which will sooner or later leave you, gave them a free hand on doing so. Thus, you forsook the weak ones some of whom were enslaved compulsorily and others were suffering under the control of the straits of livelihood. The unjust rulers therefore are rolling in royalty with their own opinions and disgracing others by their own passions as they follow the examples of the evil and dare the All-omnipotent (God). In every country, they are assigning an eloquent orator on the pulpits of God. Lands are vacant for them as their hands are prevailing everything and people are taken as their slaves because they lack the power to defend themselves. They are either a transgressing tyrant or a domineering, coarse to the weak, and obeyed who does not acknowledge the Initiator the Recreator. How strange this is! I should astonish at such affairs when the lands are prevailed by tyrannical cheaters, wrongful bribers, or unmerciful governors. God is the judge in our question of disputation and His judgment will pass over our controversy.

O Allah, You know that it was not a matter of conflict for power or request of the worldly wreckage (that made me say so), but it was just for showing the signs of Your religion and spreading betterment on Your lands so that the wronged servants will be secured and Your ordinances, traditions, and laws will be acted.

Because you had not supported or treated us fairly, the wrongdoers overcame you and wrought towards extinguishing the illumination of your Prophet (peace be upon him and his family). God is sufficient protector for us. Upon Him we depend, to Him we refer, and to Him will be our return.[163]

You speak of the little jihad the outward jihad in to this physical world.
The bigger jihad is the one each Muslim fight within themself, toward fighting ones of ego, that is the fight I fighting. If I can not beat my own ego, how am I going to find full unconditional love?

 

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For example Iraqi Twelver Shiites who hate Iran, I believe are Munafiqeen and will be in hell forever.

 

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You speak of the little jihad the outward jihad in to this physical world.
The bigger jihad is the one each Muslim fight within themself, toward fighting ones of ego, that is the fight I fighting. If I can not beat my own ego, how am I going to find full unconditional love?

Both are obligations and they compliment each other as God says "If you help God, he will help you and make firm your feet".

 

[Spirit of Light]

Unfortunately, whether you will hate me or not, I see pacifist Muslims as part of the harm to the Ummah, and to be evil but again, I see all opponents of Iran around the world to be hell-worthy forever.

I have no reason to hate you, nor do I hate those who I mention in the OP,
I believe love and kindness is stronger than hate.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Both are obligations and they compliment each other as God says "If you help God, he will help you and make firm your feet".

That is true, but do you believe a Muslim who holds his ego high will be able to love God?

 

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I have no reason to hate you, nor do I hate those who I mention in the OP,
I believe love and kindness is stronger than hate.

In Shiite hadiths (twelver ones), hating enemies of God and cursing them has equal or sometimes to be said even more reward then loving Ahlulbayt (a) and blessing them, the former is actually perfecting the latter. if you curse enemies of God and Ahlulbayt (a), it means you have perfected loving and blessing Ahlulbayt (a).

 

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I could be.

Its like this GC. You or I cannot generalise anything to anyone. No one. Everybody is the same. Generalising anything is bigotry. Its not only bigotry, it is also quite ignorant.

You were of course only speaking about the theology, not people per se so I am not saying you practice some kind of genetic fallacy. But there is absolutely no difference between any kind of group in terms of violence or peace. This thread is not meant for this so I will stop now, but if you wish to discuss that from historical data, sociology of religion, or CSR, in a new thread, I am willing to show you why I say this.

Peace.

 

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That is true, but do you believe a Muslim who holds his ego high will be able to love God?

Believers are firm against the disbelievers, that may make them look egoistic and hateful. Keep that in mind, we are to be humble to God his chosen ones and bow down to the greatness of believers (in fact Ruku in Salah is about this) but we are to hate and regard low the enemies of God and disbelievers in general.

Quran condemns believers sucking up to their enemies.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In Shiite hadiths (twelver ones), hating enemies of God and cursing them has equal or sometimes to be said even more reward then loving Ahlulbayt (a) and blessing them, the former is actually perfecting the latter. if you curse enemies of God and Ahlulbayt (a), it means you have perfected loving and blessing Ahlulbayt (a).

I learn more about my own being from those who dislike me or hate me, because that is the moment I will find out how much ego there is left within me. if I answering back with hate or fight them with fist, it show that Unconditional love has not filled me.

If you see fighting war as the right thing for you to do, that is between you and Allah, I

 

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You will have to chose between loving God who hates disbelievers or loving disbelievers and being displeased with who your Lord is.

I found it hard for a long time because I been in love with a sorceress/soothsayer/neopagan/whore. This love almost blinded me to the hate I'm supposed to have.

Maybe you have a similar problem but maybe with you it's friendship or family relationship with disbelievers.

 

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If you see fighting war as the right thing for you to do, that is between you and Allah

If only, the Quran says if believers don't do it, there will be prosecution in the earth and great mischief. This has happened, but we got to not let get it worse.

 

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The sanctions on Iran is only because we believe in our Lord and have not abandoned the oppressed Palestinians. I hope everyone who supports sanctions on Iran for example - that none of their good deeds count with God and it's nullified (no light created in their hearts through their so called good deeds) due to the hate they have towards us for our love of God and that they will end up in hell forever.

Hate is part of the path of God.

 

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I liked this post so much, I made it my signature. And all praise to God who guides and speaks the truth to his servants so they don't become confused.

 

[Vinayaka]

Are you in the belief that because I chose to convert to Sufi islam i should become a hater, rapist, woman hater, sexist, liar, criminal, murderer?

This is the feeling i get from a very few people, that because I personally chose to become a Muslim I would automatically become a Taliban who hate everything except them selves and their ego?

That is not the islam i see. That is not the purpose of the teaching.

Isnt it the people who do those horrible things to others that is the issue? Those who use the verses made during time of war to justify their own evil deeds?

Mostly all muslims are peace loving people who want the best for others.

Why let the few who are not, destroy the many who want you happiness and love?

May it be that it takes time and effort daily to understand the teaching, but those who do not study can only see the words, but not the truth?

I think you would benefit form less concern about what others think of you. How about deciding what you think of others, for your own benefit and insight?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think you would benefit form less concern about what others think of you. How about deciding what you think of others, for your own benefit and insight?

I agree that this thread and a few others where I use my self as an example did not go the way I had hoped, so yes I agree on this,I try to be loving and kind to all others, that is a main "goal" as a Sufis, but I see that personally, it become a little struggle when I see unjust and hatred toward religion or religious people.

 

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When all you know is some kind of hatred, information will only seem false to you. Because you just wish to hate people.

If you want to know about terrorism, study it a little.

But I know that studying cannot be expected from some people. Studying is a waste of time when you can spend that time hating people and getting that adrenalin rush. We see it very often, daily, everywhere. gather some knowledge rather than making guesswork. Its unbelievable how much guess work is at play. People must understand epistemic credibility. IN this world with all kinds of rant based journalism, and nations and societies born with some kind of normalised ontological bias and racism are unrecognised by their inhabitants.

Seek knowledge on the subject if you can.

I already know it's not a 'few'. That ought to be obvious by now.

 

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I agree that this thread and a few others where I use my self as an example did not go the way I had hoped, so yes I agree on this,I try to be loving and kind to all others, that is a main "goal" as a Sufis, but I see that personally, it become a little struggle when I see unjust and hatred toward religion or religious people.

Ahlulbayt (a) warned us Sufis are the astrologists of this nation and not to be trusted and whoever goes to them, has abandoned Ahlulbayt (a).

 

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I never seen a Sufi not resort to the same dark sorcery of all astrologers. Same with Shiite Irfanists who incline to Sufis.

Who is left that trusts God and the lights of Ahlulbayt (a) without mixing up all this sorcery ****. Really no sect in Islam is left, but it's all thanks to Sufis. You got Wahabis of course who call everything an innovation but have no tools from God and his guidance to really fight off the dark sorcery, so people go to the Sufis, and Sufis are astrologists of the Muslims.

 

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Ahlulbayt (a) warned us Sufis are the astrologists of this nation and not to be trusted and whoever goes to them, has abandoned Ahlulbayt (a).

I heard Muslims say that about Sufis before, it is your free choice to have this opinion