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Do you think Moses existed as a historical figure?

Do you think Moses existed as a historical figure?

  • No. Entirely fictional.

    Votes: 20 50.0%

  • Yes. Entirely historical.

    Votes: 9 22.5%

  • Maybe. Half historical, half fictional.

    Votes: 11 27.5%
  • Total voters
    40
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
outhouse said:
This could be considered very dishonest by most everyone.


The president of our Institute is Dr. Stephen C. Meyers. A known criticized apologist lair.

the Council of the Biological Society of Washington, released a statement retracting the article as not having met its scientific standards
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My source had its Bibliography also. They just hold the opposite viewpoint of the evidence on hand.
 
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outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
This is the reality whether you like it or not.

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Modern scholars therefore see Israel arising peacefully and internally from existing people in the highlands of Canaan


Instead modern studies have revealed that the Israelites emerged from a dramatic social transformation of Canaanite nomads of the central hill country of Canaan around 1200 BCE, with no signs of violent invasion or even of peaceful infiltration of a clearly defined ethnic group from elsewhere.[7]
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
KenS said:
And that, my friend, is a religion.

You are imprisoned by your belief and you do not like to see the others free.
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Having no religion is not a religion, its freedom from religion, I once was a Christian for 16 years, now I am free, and I can say that its great.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
psychoslice said:
Having no religion is not a religion, its freedom from religion, I once was a Christian for 16 years, now I am free, and I can say that its great.
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Hats off to you. I didn't have a religion and became a believer at the age of 28. Now I am free and can say that its great.

One of the definitions of religion is:

: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith Merriam-Webster.

you still have a religion.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
outhouse said:
No, they hold a known liar as its main source. Sorry your apologetic twisting of evidence and sources has nothing to do with the credible academia I post.

Then start posting credible sources.
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Flat-earth. If it runs contrary to your position -- crucify someone.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
outhouse said:
Abraham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By the beginning of the 21st century, archaeologists had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible 'historical figures'".
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Abraham... 4,100 years ago. Nomad. I'm not sure exactly what you wanted to find... a video recording of him? A letter addressed to you?

Possible tomb of Abraham:
Cave of the Patriarchs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jacob is not a historical figure, he has ZERO historicity as written.
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I don't agree...

http://www.travelujah.com/blogs/entry/Tel-Hazor-reveals-proof-of-the-Book-of-Joshua-


Other letters requesting aid from Egypt have also been discovered that were writen during this same time frame as well. These letters are part of what are known as the Amarna tablets.
The following letter is from a man named Shuwadata, governor of Gath, who makes a mention of the chief of the Hebrews, a possible reference to Joshua himself. It states:
"May the king, my lord, know that the chief of the ‘Apiru (Hebrews) has invaded the lands which your god has given me; but I have attacked him. Also let the king, my lord, know that none of my allies have come to my aid, it is only I and Abdi-Heba who fight against the ‘Apiru chief.
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It may be you interpret it differently, which would be fine. It would be two perspectives looking at the same evidence.

Archaeology meets Joshua from the bible
 
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JoStories

Well-Known Member
Zulk-Dharma said:
I am interested in your responses. I chose "Maybe. Half historical, half fictional."

If we all agree that the historical Moses as related in the Bible never existed, then we have to account for what (if anything) he is based on (since it was likely oral tradition before it was written down).

You can argue that some ancient Jewish scribes made it all up, which is possible, but some educated guesswork can be made, since it's also possible for it to have a historical core beneath the legends and myths.
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Most of Judaism and Christianity are built upon the shoulders of older faiths and borrow heavily from Sumerian myth, Egyptian, Greco- Roman, and of course, the Vedas, the epic of Gilgamesh and more. I believe Moses is crafted from older stories and carries the metaphorical and moral stories that were needed at the time. Just my two cents
 
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JoStories

Well-Known Member
rusra02 said:
Jesus Christ and his apostles accepted Moses as an historical man. There is no valid basis to conclude he was not, IMO.
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That rally does not answer the question though. And further, it presumes that Christ actually lived. There is no valid basis to believe he was really a person outside books written we'll after he allegedly lived. I respect that you believe he did but there is still no conclusive proof either way.
 
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