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Do you trust God?
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CG Didymus
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Here's two places that lists all references to "lamb" in Revelation...
Revelation 6:16 ; Revelation 7:9 Revelation 7:10 Revelation 7:14 Revelation 7:17 ; 12:11 ; 13:8 ; Revelation 14:1 Revelation 14:4 ; 15:3 ; 17:14 ; 19:17 ; Revelation 21:9 Revelation 21:14 Revelation 21:22 Revelation 21:23 Revelation 21:27 ; Revelation 22:1 Revelation 22:3
And this one already quotes the verses. Here's a few plus where Jesus is called a lamb...John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Acts 8:32
The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
1 Peter 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Revelation 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Revelation 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Revelation 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Revelation 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Revelation 22:1
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:3
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
There was a battle, Rev 17:4. After the battle, Satan is locked up but then released after 1000 years. Then gets thrown into a lake of fire. Things were good during those 1000 years, but now all evil people are destroyed. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Acts 8:32
The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
1 Peter 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Revelation 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Revelation 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Revelation 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Revelation 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Revelation 22:1
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:3
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
So, I think the Baha'is have to show how the "Lamb" is Baha'u'llah. And explain the 1000 years. Are we before or after the 1000 years? Good luck.8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Trailblazer
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CG Didymus
Veteran Member
But is it helping? This is supposed to be where things are restored and God's light shines. In the U.S. the main thing Baha'is were called to do is "teach". But how many times can a person go out and tell people, "Christ has come!' Or in India, "A new day has come, Krishna/Kalki, in the person of Baha'u'llah has come!" Then what?
Christians get together once a week. Baha'is have their Feast meetings once every 19 days. They say some prayers. Read from Baha'u'llah's books. The LSA gives a report, and they eat. Other than their "teaching", what do Baha'is do during the days and nights in between Feasts? My Baha'i friends were going to Ecumenical religious meetings and peace groups meetings in the 80's. In the late 80's, the Baha'i Faith put out a Peace Plan. Then I moved to Northern California and didn't keep in touch.
So really, I'm thinking converts to the Baha'i Faith from Hinduism might have to supplement their religious practices with some of the things they did as Hindus. Especially if it keeps them in touch with friends and family. And I don't think anything in the Baha'i Faith is designed to replace the chants and meditation techniques of Hinduism. Baha'is can chant their prayers, but it's in the style of Islam.
And how are other new religions doing in India? Like the Ahmadiyya and how about the Sikhs?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Money? A medal? Actually, if you do, your name will go down in Baha'i history.I'll work on that....
What will you give me if I show that? I require incentives.
Oh, I play guitar. Maybe I could write a song that sings your praises...
"Oh, once there was a lady called Trailblazer.
She went through the Bible with eyes like a laser.
She took a look and found the places
where about Baha'u'llah, there were traces.
In Revelation it talked of a Lamb.
She read those verses and bam.
It was all there...
Clear as a bell
It was there...
Oh, TB you found the key.
So many things, so plain to see.
Oh, TB you are the one.
To think all these years, I called you a son of a gun."
She went through the Bible with eyes like a laser.
She took a look and found the places
where about Baha'u'llah, there were traces.
In Revelation it talked of a Lamb.
She read those verses and bam.
It was all there...
Clear as a bell
It was there...
Oh, TB you found the key.
So many things, so plain to see.
Oh, TB you are the one.
To think all these years, I called you a son of a gun."
That'll get a few Christians on board. Now what about the Atheists?
"Proof, proof... that's all you keep saying.
Proof, proof... But you Atheists stay so aloof.
It's obvious... Baha'u'llah is the one.
It's as plain to me as the noon day Sun.
What more can say.
I ain't got all day.
Come on you Atheists... open your eyes!
Proof, proof, you're driving me crazy.
Proof, proof, just read his writings,
and stop being so lazy. (Goes into a wild guitar solo).
(Background vocals) Proof, proof... give me some proof.
Proof, proof... But you Atheists stay so aloof.
It's obvious... Baha'u'llah is the one.
It's as plain to me as the noon day Sun.
What more can say.
I ain't got all day.
Come on you Atheists... open your eyes!
Proof, proof, you're driving me crazy.
Proof, proof, just read his writings,
and stop being so lazy. (Goes into a wild guitar solo).
(Background vocals) Proof, proof... give me some proof.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not know about the 1000 years yet but I found the following in the book Apocalypse Unsealed tonight about the Lamb and the tribulation.... I will be reading more so I will post it as I find it. I had to reformat the whole chapter to post it here because it comes off the BLO double spaced with wide margins. I highlighted the parts you asked about in red.
Apocalypse Unsealed
by Robert Riggs
Apocalypse Unsealed
New York: Philosophical Library, 1981
Chapter Five
THE BOOK OF SEVEN SEALS
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclmiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of
David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the sevel seals thereof.
The "book" represents the seven Holy Books of the seven Faiths. It is sealed with seven seals because every Holy Book was sealed. The words on the inside represent the hidden meanings while word on the backside represent the obvious meanings. The hidden meanings of the Holy Books were revealed by Baha'u'llah. The Book of the Bab [the _Bayan_, meaning "Exposition"], actually revealed through the Spirit of Baha'u'llah, was also instrumental in unsealing the seven Books. The representation of all the seven Books as a single Book symbolized the fact that all the Holy Books are in essence one and the same.
The Lion of the tribe of Judah_/1 is Baha'u'llah. The Lion of Judah alludes to the prophecy of Jacob in Genesis 49:9-10 (KJV). In that prophecy, the Lion symbolizes a ruler or sovereign; Shiloh means a place of rest and symbolizes the Ark of the Convenant.*_/
As the Root of David, Baha'u'llah, Who was descended from Abraham through His third wife Katurah, is equated to Abraham, meaning that all Prophets are in essence one and the same.* *See _Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah_, pp. 88-90.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth unto all the earth.
RSV translates verse 6 as follows:
6 And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth;
The constellation Aries, the Ram or Lamb, (fig. 11) was originally the first to appear at the Vernal equinox. But because of the Precession of the Equinoxes, the Lamb is always "slain" for a new constellation at each new zodiacal age. And so it is at a new spiritual Age, which is always accompanied by a Sacrificial Figure, a "Lamb of God," a "leader of the flock," the Sacrifice of the Covenant (Exodus 24:4-8)._/3
In the last Chapter we discovered that the greatness of Baha'u'llah's Dispensation requires an invisible zodiac of twenty-four elders. Thus there are two of every type of elder (Holy Figure), and, in particular, there are two Lambs in this new Age. The two Lambs are the Bab and 'Abdu'l-Baha._/4
The Lamb may, in some Sacrifices, such as that of Jesus Christ and the Bab, be the Manifestation Himself, and the Lamb may actually climb the "lofty summit of great martyrdom." In others, such as that of Moses and 'Abdu'l-Baha, the Lamb's spiritual Sacrifice, while not including physical martyrdom, will transcend our abilities to recount or to comprehend. But the Lamb is always meek, innocent, spotless in purity., Who becomes the victim of slander and persecution, Whose Sacrifice is required to cleanse civilization of destructive forces, to renew the Ages, and to permit a higher reality to become manifest. <5:6>
Although Baha'u'llah is also a Sacrificial Figure, in these verses He is represented as the Lion, symbolic of His role as the Sovereign or Lord of the Covenant. <G #7, 8>
In verse 6, horn symbolizes a name. The Lamb has seven horns representing the seven names by which the Lamb had been known in the seven former Dispensations. The seven eyes are the seven Prophetic Spirits through which the Lamb had been manifested._/5
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of the saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou are worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redemmed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, worth is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and horour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
In verse 6 the Lamb stands (seemingly) as though it had been slain. In verse 9 we learn that the Lamb has actually been slain. The possible contradiction is resolved, of course, by the fact that there are two Lambs in Baha'u'llah's Dispensation. The first Lamb, the Bab, was literally slain in the public square of Tabriz. The second Lamb, 'Abdu'l-Baha, was not slain in a literal sense, and remains alive and well, to reappear as the Lamb of the new Jerusalem in a later Chapter.
Since the Lamb that was slain is the One worthy to "take the book," the Bab will help to unseal the Book of seven seals. <11:13 #2>
The Bab helped to unseal the Holy Books through the spiritual power of Baha'u'llah. Thus in verse 7 He takes the Book from Baha'u'llah to open the seals. Baha'u'llah explains, "... whatsoever My Previous Manifestation and Harbinger of My Beauty (the Bab) hath revealed hath been My Revelation and the proclamation of My Cause."_/6
The new song is the message of the new Manifestation. "... the divines and doctors ... have ... refused to incline their ears unto the divine Melody."--Baha'u'llah._/7
(Apocalypse Unsealed, pp. 99-103)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The great tribulation began with the persecution of the Christians and ends with the persecution of the Baha'is. The greater number of the martyrs have been followers of the Bab.
(Apocalypse Unsealed, p. 121)
PureX
Veteran Member
I don't get into debates with them because I don't care what they believe. And they don't care what I believe. I ask them questions and they answer. They ask me questions and I answer. No one is 'attacking' and no one needs to defend anything.
I also have no problem with people choosing to believe that no gods exist. Anyone can believe whatever they think is right. But when they come here and assert those beliefs as our collective reality, they need to be able to back their assertions us. Theists or atheists. And when asked to do so, some people think they are being attacked, and respond with indignation and insults. Some even want to be 'attacked' so they can wallow in their indignation and spew endless idiotic arguments, like a game.
I am profoundly agnostic. I don't "believe in" things I can't know to be so. And there isn't much I can know to be so. I think chasing after a "belief" would be fundamentally dishonest and invite an unhealthy disconnect between myself and reality.
I am a theist by choice, not by any "belief". I choose to trust in the divine mystery of existence. Mostly because I need and want to trust in some power greater than myself and existence is a power greater than myself. Is that power "God"? Seems as good a word as any to apply to it. It is the mysterious source, sustenance, and purpose of all that is. And I can choose to imagine it any way I want because I have no idea what such an 'entity' would actually be like. And so can anyone else, for the same reason. So I have no reason to argue with anyone about the way they choose to characterize this divine mystery. It would be a pointless argument, anyway.
Atheists can choose not to trust in the divine mystery if they want. Though I don't understand why they would deny themselves the benefits of faith in a 'higher power' for no reason, and based on no evidence (their own claim). Nevertheless, it's their choice. All I would ask is that they be honest about it. And stop asserting it as "objective reality", or as a "logical conclusion based on lack of evidence" (which is not logical at all). and so on. I question those claims because I find them dishonest and illogical. Not because I want to "attack" anyone. And not because I want to change anyone's mind.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
IMHO, there is no God, God is a creation of ignorance, fear and greed. Therefore, he is in communication only with few, prophets/son/messenger/manifestations/mahdis. No chance of you or myself communicating with him.
So, you agree that God is at least partly responsible for the may-hem.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Bahais are too few in India, none in my acquaintance. Therefore I do not know.
As for Sikhs, they have very close relations with Hindus. They respect Hindu Gods, we respect their gurus. Sikh-Hindu marriages are common. For that matter there are Muslim/Hindu and Christian/Hindu marriages too.
Shias and Ahmadiyyas, who are persecuted in Sunni Islamic world, are perfectly safe and happy in India.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
They are still rather obscure in the US also.
From what I read, that's what it sounds like. The people could keep practicing their old religious belief, so what's it going to hurt to sign a card?
The Baháʼí teachings were adapted for presentation to a clearly Hindu context familiar to the people of the countryside, using principles and language familiar to them.
The presentation of Baháʼu'lláh as the Kalki Avatar who according to the Vishnu Purana will appear at the end of the Kali Yuga for the purpose of reestablishing an era of righteousness
Emphasizing the figures of Buddha and Krishna as past Manifestations of God or Avatars
References to Hindu scriptures such as the Bhagavad Gita
Together with the teaching of the unity of humanity these approaches attracted many of the lower castes. Also, in contrast to the case of the Neo-Buddhist movement, no effort was made to denounce Hinduism. In short order most of a tiny village of some 200 people converted to the Baháʼí Faith en masse.
Interesting that they "emphasized" Buddha and Krishna. But where in the Baha'i writings did they get something to emphasize about them?The presentation of Baháʼu'lláh as the Kalki Avatar who according to the Vishnu Purana will appear at the end of the Kali Yuga for the purpose of reestablishing an era of righteousness
Emphasizing the figures of Buddha and Krishna as past Manifestations of God or Avatars
References to Hindu scriptures such as the Bhagavad Gita
Together with the teaching of the unity of humanity these approaches attracted many of the lower castes. Also, in contrast to the case of the Neo-Buddhist movement, no effort was made to denounce Hinduism. In short order most of a tiny village of some 200 people converted to the Baháʼí Faith en masse.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, because God created a material world in which mayhem exists.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
If what the Baha'is claim is true, then it is the truth from God for today. So, it's kind of important to find out if that is true or not. And if Baha'is don't care about what you believe, then there's a problem. They are supposed to love and respect people that have different beliefs.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not think that PureX meant we do not 'care' what he believes in the sense that we are uninterested. I think he meant we leave him alone to believe whatever he wants to because we do not think it our place to convince him of what we believe. That would equate to love and respect for people that have different beliefs.
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Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
Here's what Wikipedia says. It's long:
The question of how many Baháʼís are in India has been the source of much debate.[38] From 1960 to 1990 the number of estimated Baháʼís went from under 1 thousand to as much as 2 million mostly poor, rural, and illiterate people from Hindu scheduled castes.[29] Unlike other religious conversions that require a rejection of Hinduism, Baháʼí teachers were affirming of Hindu beliefs, leaving some converts to continue with Hindu traditions side by side with the Baháʼí ones, each to varying degrees.[39] Without the need to change a convert's name, dress, or rituals, it is difficult to identify how many of the conversions were sustained and consolidated in the Baháʼí religion. The Baháʼís in India seem to have overextended themselves by accepting the large number of adherents and not having the resources to consolidate and maintain Baháʼí principles and practices among many rural villages.
Based on activity data, about 100,000 Baháʼís in India were actively practicing the religion in 2001, representing an impressive growth of 10,000% in 40 years, but the larger number of self-identifying but inactive Baháʼís remains elusive to researchers.[38] According to the Annual Report from the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baháʼís of India, there were 61,650 Baháʼí core activities taking place in July 2020, with 406,000 participants.
A note from myself: in the US many participants in core activities are not Baha'is.
On the question of whether the number of Baháʼís in India was inflated by Baháʼí authorities, sociologist Margit Warburg studied the data and concluded that it was not. She wrote,[41]
Inactive Baha'is constitute a burden rather than a resource for the Baha'i administration... The Universal House of Justice would have to adopt the radical policy of instructing the national spiritual assemblies to remove inactive Baha'is from the membership lists, if the goal was to count only active Baha'is. I therefore conclude that the issue of inflated official membership data stems from the present practice of not expelling inactive Baha'is; the numbers are not rooted in any sinister manipulation of data.
Census data[edit]
The census of India recorded 5,574 Baháʼís in 1991,[42] 11,324 in 2001,[43] and 4,572 Baháʼís in 2011.[12]
The Indian census counts Baháʼís that are from scheduled castes as Hindu. The 1971 census directions stated, "Scheduled castes can belong only to the Hindu or Sikh religions."[11] William Garlington, who studied the Baháʼís in India, said that none of the 88 thousand converts in Madhya Pradesh in the early 1960s were counted as Baháʼís on the census of 1971, the majority of which were from scheduled castes.[44]
The World Christian Encyclopedia of 1982 and 2001 both state that Baháʼís are counted as Hindus on government censuses (though it did not specifically mention India), and not shown separately.[45][46]
Professor Anil Sarwal, member of the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baháʼís of India, wrote of the 1991 census, "these figures do not reflect the true picture of the statistics of the Bahá'í community in India for various reasons. Bahá'í is included in the others category in the column of religion and many enumerators don't know about the Faith, or they tend to write religion as per the name of the person."
Warburg's research[edit]
Margit Warburg is a Danish sociologist who studied the Baháʼí faith for 25 years.[47] She believes that the World Christian Encyclopedia is not a reliable source of data on Baháʼí membership, and she produced her own analysis of Baháʼís in regions of the world, with a focus on India, based on the number of localities, Local Spiritual Assemblies, fund contributions, and other activity data.[38] She estimated that in 2001 there were reliably 100,000 active Baháʼís in India, representing 5% of the 1.9 million enrolled, noting that, "The number of adherents who are active participants in their local Baha'i communities, of course, will always be smaller than the number of registered Baha'is." By contrast, she found that worldwide the activity rate was 18%, and in some western countries as high as 91%.
Baháʼí Faith in India - Wikipedia
I like to depend on Wikipedia
Certainly not 2 million. It would be really difficult to tell, actually. In villages a person can declare himself to be almost any religion, suitable to the moment. When I travelled in India, taxi drivers, or tuktuk drivers would change their religion based on which religion their passenger was, hoping for a better tip, or a tip at all. Off in some remote village, it's really hard to say. For survival, or because of literacy or language issues, anything can be said. Lots of village Hindus, not knowing the difference, will say they are members of all religions. It's an easy answer, supposedly won't insult anyone.
I seriously doubt if there are more than 20 000 active Baha'is in India. They might be active on every 19th day to get something to eat, but then stay with Hinduism the other 18 days. Is that really an active Baha'i? If they're still practicing 'idol' worship, are they Baha'is? But you're free to differ. I am glad you didn't claim it was 2 million.
I've also looked at many large Indian cities on google map, and very few have Baha' Centers anywhere. Again, you're free to differ.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
To get the reward you've got to come up with your own interpretation. This guy and the zodiac? Is that for real? Besides, if you use him, I'd have to come up with new lyrics to your song. Like what? "Robert Riggs, He's the guy whose interpretation everybody digs." That would bite.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
What would be important to know is what the active ones are being told and believing. Do they really think Baha'u'llah is Kalki?
There was several schools mentioned. Which can be very good. But then I'm sure it includes teaching about the Baha'i Faith. I wonder? Are Mormons and Catholics and other Christians setting up schools?
Catholics have been in India a very long time. In some places the term Christian is still synonymous with Catholic. They indeed set up many schools universities and hospitals, all in the hopes of converting the entire subcontinent. Much like what happened in North America, and they poured a lot of money into it.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
So, there is seven religions and seven Holy Books of those religions? And what might the Holy Books of Hinduism and Buddhism be?
Two lambs? You know we're heading towards the wedding of the Lamb and God and the Lamb being the light in the Temple. So, can't wait to see how he interprets all of that.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Feed them, educate their kids, sounds like it would be easy for any religion to get people to believe. But the claim is that a whole village joined. I wonder if it is run by the Baha'i LSA? Or... because the leader of the village joined everybody joined.