Do you want the House to be in republican or democratic control?

[BrightShadow]

Honest question, are you from the US?

Yes I am an American and proud of it!
And Yes we should stop poking around and concentrate on self (at least for the time being!)

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

1. I am.
2. Those who are not have every right to have, and to voice, a position on something that may very well impact them.

Yes! ...

That was more than sufficient. The remaining word salad laced with its adolescent formatting added nothing of worth.

 

[PureX]

It was easy to make MAGA go away with zero additional damage to the country. Voting in this election.

Far too many people didn't care. They didn't care if Trump was president again.

They are disgusted by both parties, and rightfully so. But sadly, burning the place to the ground is not the way to express it. It will just cause a lot more pain and suffering, and the real culprits will just insulate themselves with their money. And so won't care, anyway. We are only hurting ourselves and each other. But as the old saying goes, the abused become the abusers. And that is unfortunately very true.

 

[BrightShadow]

That was more than sufficient. The remaining word salad laced with its adolescent formatting added nothing of worth.

The Americans will read it!
People are getting too smart to be fooled!

 

[PureX]

That was more than sufficient. The remaining word salad laced with its adolescent formatting added nothing of worth.

I suspect this person is not being honest. And has an agenda to push. But you decide for yourself. They do not command the language as a American normally would.

 

[BrightShadow]

I suspect this person is not being honest. And has an agenda to push. But you decide for yourself. They do not command the language as a American normally would.

Yeah! I get it - people are getting too smart and cannot be easily fooled!
But you are wrong! I am an American and the only agenda I have is to keep idiocy at bay!

 

[Heyo]

They are disgusted by both parties, and rightfully so. But sadly, burning the place to the ground is not the way to express it. It will just cause a lot more pain and suffering, and the real culprits will just insulate themselves with their money. And so won't care, anyway. We are only hurting ourselves and each other. But as the old saying goes, the abused become the abusers. And that is unfortunately very true.

You can't save people who don't want to be saved. An addict has to hit rock bottom to realize his situation. And a quick fall is more helpful in learning than a slow descend.

 

[Estro Felino]

They are disgusted by both parties, and rightfully so. But sadly, burning the place to the ground is not the way to express it. It will just cause a lot more pain and suffering, and the real culprits will just insulate themselves with their money. And so won't care, anyway. We are only hurting ourselves and each other. But as the old saying goes, the abused become the abusers. And that is unfortunately very true.

Politicians rarely express what you really believe.
I am a socialist...but in my country there is no a Socialist Party any more. There is the European version of the Democratic Party.

Shall I vote for them? No, thank you. I prefer to vote for populists who express hatred towards the élites. That makes me at peace with myself.

 

[F1fan]

I'd prefer that the votes are counted correctly, and the House will work as intended in a representative democracy.
But I think it will be a Republican House, and I think the US deserves it.

Indeed. And the middle class and poor will have to prepare for hardship, according to Elon Musk in regards to Trump's economic policies. Does that mean higher inflation? Or his austerity? Or both? We don't know, these guys are notoriously vague.

Will there be any republicans who realize the danger of the Trump plan, or will they not care as a collective hive mind and just go along with the the whole thing?

 

[Nakosis]

The republicans have the presidency and the senate. The House is yet to be decided and may take 2-3 weeks for the ballots to be counted. This is a critical outcome because if the democrats get the majority they could prevent Trump from doing many things, mostly with the budget. They could provide some guardrails to his actions until the midterm elections. If the republicans get the majority then there would be little in the way of MAGA putting project 2025 and Agenda 47 into action. Trump will largely have his way with everything, and immunity in his back pocket. They would have two years, and it's likely a complete abortion ban would be implemented. MAGA would have plenty of time to cut taxes on the wealthy, and grift the federal budget to benefit them while blowing up the budget.

What is your preference, and most importantly your reasons, and possible scenarios and consequences for your choice. Try to present an argument, not just your vote.

The problem with a two party government is when one party controls all three branches of government their is less of a drive for oversight.
Unfortunately, Americans tend to go all out in support of their party despite the consequences.

 

[F1fan]

I would like to see the Republican control.

Personally, it would be nice to see what they will do when controlling both Senate and House. Then people can have hard data for the next election

That being said, the margins are so thin that it may just be deadlocked. Time will tell.

I have had a morbid curiosity of what Trump 2.0 would do to America. But now it's that and full republican control. I did not consider that. The question is how much they can do in two years that affects the midterms. In a way if republicans were smart they wouldn't do anything too extreme. But I doubt they can help themselves. I predict they will start right away trying to implement project 2025 and Agenda 47. I doubt many voters are aware of these, but they will feel the effects.

It is best for the Republicans to maintain the House, since that is the only reason the Biden-Harris economy did not run the country into the ground.

Right, it's considered the best economy in the world, even if many Americans aren't aware of this fact. That tells us how effective right wing media is at disinformation and propaganda. Well, now it will all be on republicans. And they won't have anyone else to blame if eggs go back up to $3 or more.

The RNC control maintained fiscal responsibility and made the criminal DNC more transparent.

Not according to data. The budget under Trump went up dramatically, mostly due to the republican tax cuts. More cuts are coming with no wany to increase revenue except tariffs.

I am also tired of the DNC law fare games they would play if they could control the House; lawyers games instead of statesmanship. If Trump and the Republicans control it, along with the Senate and Supreme Court, the country will turn around and become great again. The DNC will have a better future buffer if and when they try to squander again.

We are all tired of Trump and the crimes he was being held accountable for. But that is over now that voters helped keep him out of prison. Now we have something else to get tired of, and that's project 2025 and it's effects on America and the world. Don't be 'high fiving' too soon, wait to see what comes of those extremist plans.

I am tired of correcting your far right wing disinformed comments. This informs us how effective right wing media is to disinform the willingly ignorant.

 

[Heyo]

Indeed. And the middle class and poor will have to prepare for hardship, according to Elon Musk in regards to Trump's economic policies. Does that mean higher inflation? Or his austerity? Or both? We don't know, these guys are notoriously vague.

Will there be any republicans who realize the danger of the Trump plan, or will they not care as a collective hive mind and just go along with the the whole thing?

It all depends on how wild MAGA goes with their plans. You'd have to keep it slow to let the people adapt to the new reality. But Trump is old and MAGA are impatient, and there is no-one stopping them. My guess is that they will ruin democracy and the economy within two years. We'll see how many then still deny reality. 2/3 majorities in the House and the Senate should be the result - but that is wishful thinking.

 

[F1fan]

When Democrats can slow the downfall of the US, people will gradually grow into the new reality. It's the boiled frog scenario (even though that is biological nonsense, the idea counts).
A fast deterioration will wake up more people than a slow withering. And even though many people will suffer severely in the next time, more would suffer in the long run if the MAGAts had guardrails and not crazy from day one.

There is a two year test for those who voted for the criminal president elect. Many blue states are implementing plans to "Trump proof" their states. I have heard three governors make these statements, but not sure what they will do to protect their citizens. That is an interesting idea. It reminds me of a sort of seige where blue states stand up for rights and the MAGAs stand at the borders wanting to impose full control over them. This could be a sort of abstract political Civil War.

None of us who know better have no idea what is in store for us. Is it too much for us to worry about being critical of MAGAs on online forums? We are supposed to have some sort of right to speak, and anonymity, but could that be out the window? Let's say the T 2.0 has an agency that functions to punish criticism. If they ask citizens to turn people in for criticism, would any of our forum's MAGA members think twice about making a report about F1fan and @Heyo for being critical of Trump? Would we not freak out if we got letters from the administration to stop all comments about Trump that are critical? I would. And would an administration that doesn't think twice about separating children from their parents think twice about you and me and our rights? Hell no.

If that did happen would our MAGA forum members think this crosses a line, or that we libtards deserved it? The ACLU is out there, but they only have about 500 lawyers, and they are going to be swamped with big fish issues.

 

[Heyo]

And they won't have anyone else to blame if eggs go back up to $3 or more.

Is the US importing eggs? Will there be tariffs on eggs?
Nah, eggs are safe, but your next smartphone, your next computer, your next (imported) car will cost double that of your last one. But petrol will still be cheap.

 

[BrightShadow]

There is a two year test for those who voted for the criminal president elect. Many blue states are implementing plans to "Trump proof" their states. I have heard three governors make these statements, but not sure what they will do to protect their citizens. That is an interesting idea. It reminds me of a sort of seige where blue states stand up for rights and the MAGAs stand at the borders wanting to impose full control over them. This could be a sort of abstract political Civil War.

None of us who know better have no idea what is in store for us. Is it too much for us to worry about being critical of MAGAs on online forums? We are supposed to have some sort of right to speak, and anonymity, but could that be out the window? Let's say the T 2.0 has an agency that functions to punish criticism. If they ask citizens to turn people in for criticism, would any of our forum's MAGA members think twice about making a report about F1fan and @Heyo for being critical of Trump? Would we not freak out if we got letters from the administration to stop all comments about Trump that are critical? I would. And would an administration that doesn't think twice about separating children from their parents think twice about you and me and our rights? Hell no.

If that did happen would our MAGA forum members think this crosses a line, or that we libtards deserved it? The ACLU is out there, but they only have about 500 lawyers, and they are going to be swamped with big fish issues.

Sounds like you are claiming to be an American. Interesting!

 

[F1fan]

It all depends on how wild MAGA goes with their plans. You'd have to keep it slow to let the people adapt to the new reality.

Or go hard and squash freedom of speech and other liberties fast. Get all that stamped down in a year and good luck having a fair election in two years. Frankly we have zero reason to give these people the benefit of the doubt. We have to assume the worst and prepare. Orban has control in a way that Trump looks to copy.

But Trump is old and MAGA are impatient, and there is no-one stopping them. My guess is that they will ruin democracy and the economy within two years. We'll see how many then still deny reality. 2/3 majorities in the House and the Senate should be the result - but that is wishful thinking.

The only thing we have going for us (all those who voted for Biden in 2020) is a strong institution of democracy that exists at state levels. MAGA can't do much about states since rules are outlined in the constitution. We will see how the military and intelligence agencies deal with T 2.0. We really don't know the chaos that could be coming.

 

[Heyo]

There is a two year test for those who voted for the criminal president elect. Many blue states are implementing plans to "Trump proof" their states. I have heard three governors make these statements, but not sure what they will do to protect their citizens. That is an interesting idea. It reminds me of a sort of seige where blue states stand up for rights and the MAGAs stand at the borders wanting to impose full control over them. This could be a sort of abstract political Civil War.

None of us who know better have no idea what is in store for us. Is it too much for us to worry about being critical of MAGAs on online forums? We are supposed to have some sort of right to speak, and anonymity, but could that be out the window? Let's say the T 2.0 has an agency that functions to punish criticism. If they ask citizens to turn people in for criticism, would any of our forum's MAGA members think twice about making a report about F1fan and @Heyo for being critical of Trump? Would we not freak out if we got letters from the administration to stop all comments about Trump that are critical? I would. And would an administration that doesn't think twice about separating children from their parents think twice about you and me and our rights? Hell no.

If that did happen would our MAGA forum members think this crosses a line, or that we libtards deserved it? The ACLU is out there, but they only have about 500 lawyers, and they are going to be swamped with big fish issues.

I'm pretty safe here in Germany, and I don't think they go after any individual forum member. They'd go for the forum.

 

[F1fan]

Sounds like you are claiming to be an American. Interesting!

Not a claim, a fact. Of course you don't seem capable of discerning fact from fiction, so don't worry about it.

 

[F1fan]

I'm pretty safe here in Germany, and I don't think they go after any individual forum member. They'd go for the forum.

What part of Germany? My family lived north of Osnabruck back in the 17-18th centuries, and some are still there. We lived in Augsburg from 63-65 when my dad was in the army.

They could use forums for their advantage if they can limit the criticisms. The forums would die anyway. I think intimidation is more effective at the personal level, that's the best way to instill fear.

My neighbors are a gay couple and both have German ancestory, and they both got German passports just in case things get scary in the USA.

This is what MAGA is doing to people, and they aren't even in power yet.

 

[BrightShadow]

Not a claim, a fact. Of course you don't seem capable of discerning fact from fiction, so don't worry about it.

It is all good! I will pay some attention to what you say now. I was almost ignoring!