Do you want the Ukrainian War to end today?

[Estro Felino]

No idea but Russian ships were detected in the area with their satellite trackers turned off. It is likely it was Russia if you want my opinion.

Could you explain me what Bidens means by these words?
"if Ukraine is invaded, We (we the US) will bring an end to the pipelines."

I have no idea who or what V. Nuland is, I would need further information.

You don't know who Nuland is, but you want to instruct me on war in Europe.
Okay.
Got it.

 

[John53]

Could you explain me what Bidens means by these words?
"if Ukraine is invaded, We (we the US) will bring an end to the pipelines."

You don't know who Nuland is, but you want to instruct me on war in Europe.
Okay.
Got it.

Shut down is different to blow up. It's not that difficult. And there weren't American ships and subs in the area where it happened, only Russian ones.

Easy to educate you on post WW2 European conflicts because your knowledge is so poor.

And you failed to answer my question on Nuland despite you claim of always answering questions.

 

[Estro Felino]

Shut down is different to blow up. It's not that difficult. And there weren't American ships and subs in the area where it happened, only Russian ones.

I haven't seen these ships. The evidence.
I trust my eyes only.

If someone tells me that donkeys can fly, should I believe them on trust?

I trust my ears only, as well.
And Biden said those things.
And the Germans heard Biden's speech too.
And they are angry, I can promise you that.

Easy to educate you on post WW2 European conflicts because your knowledge is so poor.

And you failed to answer my question on Nuland despite you claim of always answering questions.

Post #298 by @Copernicus is very thorough.

 

[John53]

I haven't seen these ships. The evidence.
I trust my eyes only.

Yet you saw Biden blow it up with your eyes?

If someone tells me that donkeys can fly, should I believe them on trust?

That's how I feel about your posts. Once fact checked it shows they're often fantasy.

I trust my ears only, as well.

You can't "only" trust 2 things.

And Biden said those things.

Show me where he said he blew it up?

And the Germans heard Biden's speech too.

Relevance?

And they are angry, I can promise you that.

No you can't. You do not speak for every German or in fact any German. We're believing eyes only remember.

Post #298 by @Copernicus is very thorough.

So you agree with his post?

 

[Estro Felino]

Yet you saw Biden blow it up with your eyes?

Biden: we will bring an end to it.
Journalist: how can you do that? Only Germany can shut it down, since it's under its control.
Biden: we will bring an end to it anyway. I promise you that.

Americans always keep their promises. He kept his promise, evidently.


PS: bring an end to it doesn't mean "shut it down".
It means to terminate it...in any way possible, not specified.
English semantics.

 

[John53]

Biden: we will bring an end to it.
Journalist: how can you do that? Only Germany can shut it down, since it's under its control.
Biden: we will bring an end to it anyway. I promise you that.

Americans always keep their promises. He kept his promise, evidently.


PS: bring an end to it doesn't mean "shut it down".
It means to terminate it...in any way possible, not specified.
English semantics.

So the answer is no you didn't see Biden blow it up with your trusting eyes. Yet you still believe.

You failed to answer my other question proving to me I can't believe anything you say.

 

[Estro Felino]

So the answer is no you didn't see Biden blow it up with your trusting eyes. Yet you still believe.

I give you a practical example.
Once a person was killed in my country.

A guy who knew the victim publicly said he would kill this person...
and how.
That person was killed.
This guy was jailed on the basis of that declaration.
Does it make sense to you, know?

 

[Copernicus]

wow... an "assistant secretary of state for European affairs" who says " beeep the EU".
A refined chic lady who serves the European interests.

The conversation was intended as a private communication to the US State Department, not a public announcement. Diplomats from every country give such frank assessments to their governments. She was expressing frustration at what she perceived as weak support from the EU. Sorry that such foul language should burn your ears, but that is what happens in private communications. Of course, she didn't know that the Russians were recording the call, so she gave them a propaganda coup. A major objective of the Russians was to weaken ties between the US and its European allies. Those efforts failed, but they are still bandied about on the internet by pro-Kremlin apologists like yourself.

...but there are those who say that some despicable characters behind the scenes financed Euromaidan.
Whom shall I believe?

Why ask me? People say a lot of things that aren't true. Why should you believe unsubstantiated rumors on the internet?

Why did she say that?
I thought the EU and the US were on the same team.

It was a leaked private conversation. Everyone understands that. In the end, it didn't mean a thing. The NATO alliance is more unified than ever, and approval ratings for the US have been on the rise in EU countries, contrary to your claims here. You were asked to provide evidence for your claims about the popularity of Obama, and you could not.

I am sorry, but the US does interfere. Anywhere and at any time.

No need to apologize, but that isn't the issue. The Euromaidan revolt against Yanukovych was spontaneous, just like the Orange Revolution in 2004. The US played no significant role in it, although the US and the EU expressed sympathy for the protesters, who faced down extremely brutal attempts to suppress the movement. The evidence is there if you care to look, but I'm pretty sure you won't.

I bet Soros is an ally of hers.
It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Rubbish. As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. George Soros is just a rightwing bogey man.

What George Soros said about Ukraine in a 2014 CNN interview

 

[John53]

I give you a practical example.
Once a person was killed in my country.

A guy who knew the victim publicly said he would kill this person...
and how.
That person was killed.
This guy was jailed on the basis of that declaration.
Does it make sense to you, know?

I don't trust any of your claims.

 

[Estro Felino]

You failed to answer my other question proving to me I can't believe anything you say.

If you come to Rome and bring me a koala...I will.

 

[Heyo]

No idea but Russian ships were detected in the area with their satellite trackers turned off. It is likely it was Russia if you want my opinion.

Destroy their own work? Not likely.
I immediately suspected the US (as I always do when something shady happens and they already torpedoed the pipeline with threats of sanctions).
Turns out it were most likely Ukrainian divers (with help from Poland and in knowledge by the US).

 

[Heyo]

It was a leaked private conversation. Everyone understands that. In the end, it didn't mean a thing. The NATO alliance is more unified than ever, and approval ratings for the US have been on the rise in EU countries, contrary to your claims here.

Yeah, we are that stupid sometimes. Here in Germany the trust in the US seems to be untouchable. Even when you wiretapped Angela's phone, didn't say sorry and didn't promise to not do it again.
I just hope that those repeat offences will eventually open peoples eyes.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It would be great for it to end, but only if it means Putin is defeated, goes home and Ukraine keeps what belongs to Ukraine.

 

[John53]

Destroy their own work? Not likely.
I immediately suspected the US (as I always do when something shady happens and they already torpedoed the pipeline with threats of sanctions).
Turns out it were most likely Ukrainian divers (with help from Poland and in knowledge by the US).

We're talking about Putin, the man who threatened to use nukes. I don't put anything past him and the Russian ships and subs in the area at the time seem a little suss. But that's just my opinion, I've read a bit about it and it all seems propaganda from one side or the other, so who knows.

 

[John53]

If you come to Rome and bring me a koala...I will.

I'd sooner drink bleach.

 

[Heyo]

We're talking about Putin, the man who threatened to use nukes. I don't put anything past him and the Russian ships and subs in the area at the time seem a little suss. But that's just my opinion, I've read a bit about it and it all seems propaganda from one side or the other, so who knows.

There has also been a NATO manoeuvre in the area at the time.
Anyways, the Pipelines have been repaired and there is no gas flowing in them at the time.

 

[PureX]

So long as neither side can defeat the other, and Putin won't quit, this war will not end. And at the moment, neither side can defeat the other because they both need outside help to do that, and so far there is no outside help willing to go that far. Russia's only hope would be China, and so far they do not seem to be at all willing to help Russia defeat Ukraine. And for Ukraine to defeat Russia would require the western alliance to agree to supporting a war that incurrs into Russia, which it will not do. So unfortunately, this is likely to be one of those wars that never really ends.

UNLESS, Putin dies and his replacement uses the opportunity to blame the whole mess on his, and puts a stop to it. So if you really want to see this war end, pray for Putin's demise. And not by Ukraine's doing, but either by natural forces, or by Russian political methods.

 

[Kathryn]

That's nonsense. Every single satellite country in the former Warsaw Pact is now in NATO, and so are the former Baltic Soviet Socialist Republics of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Why? Because they all feared Russia and NATO is a defensive alliance whose existence is justified only by a fear of Russian expansionism. NATO's nuclear umbrella (Article 5) prevents Russia from attacking those countries, but it is still threatening the Baltic Republics and even Poland. Certainly, Moldava is at risk, since Russian troops already occupy part of its territory. Ukraine has wanted to become part of the NATO alliance as long as those countries, but NATO kept putting them off out of fear that it would be perceived as too provocative by Moscow. Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine has changed the politics, and it is now very likely that Ukraine will be accepted into NATO and the EU.

I know what the reasoning is behind NATO, and I also know that in 2015 the Ukrainian government that they had no plans to join NATO. Then suddenly in 2019 they decided oh wait, yes we do. Five EU states are not members of NATO by the way. Oh and that's four or five years, not nine years so I guess you're right that my post was nonsense! LOL

 

[Estro Felino]

So long as neither side can defeat the other, and Putin won't quit, this war will not end.

So getting rid of Putin is the reason why the US is using Ukraine as the battlefield of a proxy war against Putin?
Why do the US want Putin to quit or to be overthrown?

Because they want to rob Russia. They want to steal Russia's resources. Natural gas and oil.
Those belong to the Russian people. And they are nationalized.
Under Russian control.

So America,...give up.

And for Ukraine to defeat Russia would require the western alliance to agree to supporting a war that incurrs into Russia, which it will not do.

Europeans will never go to die for the sake of Mr Mini-Soros ...that's for sure.

Maybe Americans will...I mean...they were convinced to go to war in Vietnam.
They will this time too.

UNLESS, Putin dies and his replacement uses the opportunity to blame the whole mess on his, and puts a stop to it. So if you really want to see this war end, pray for Putin's demise. And not by Ukraine's doing, but either by natural forces, or by Russian political methods.

If Putin dies, Russians will elect another leader of Edinaya Rossiya.
A leader that will keep the resources of Russia.

So it's absolutely useless.

 

[Estro Felino]

There has also been a NATO manoeuvre in the area at the time.
Anyways, the Pipelines have been repaired and there is no gas flowing in them at the time.

They have always prevented Russia from selling natural gas to Europe, because they want it.
They want it so they can sell it to Europe, themselves.
And gain billions.

Why Biden can't help Europe rid itself of Russian gas

"Governments don’t make deals," said the director of Tufts University's Climate Policy Lab.

www.politico.com