Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[IndigoChild5559]

It is nothing to do with me .. it is not a personal comment.
It is a general comment about women who disrespect their husband's wishes..
That is against what God has taught us in the Bible and Qur'an.

We turn away from God at our peril.
The plight of you or I does NOT change anything.

Funny, I was just talking to a Muslim last night who was trying to convince me that th Quran taught the opposite, that men and women are equal.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

But the thing is, I am highly content.

You're highly content? Nah, you can't be since you're not under the thumb of a sexist man and not his doormat to control, gaslight, and manipulate.

Shame on you for thinking for yourself and having the self-respect to not allow a man to control you. You're such a rebel.

(And yes, I'm being sarcastic again)

 

[muhammad_isa]

But the thing is, I am highly content.

The plight of you or I does NOT change anything.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Funny, I was just talking to a Muslim last night who was trying to convince me that th Quran taught the opposite, that men and women are equal.

Well, both men and women can be destined for heaven or hell..
..and God is neither a man or a woman.

Men and women have equal human rights .. if that's what you mean.
..but they are not equal .. a man cannot give birth, for example.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I think that the concept of "respect" is lost on some people..
They seem to think that they only have to respect people "if they've earnt it".

By that token, we should all go around disrespecting each other, until
proved that they deserve it.

..no more "Ladies and Gentlemen" .. more like a bunch of animals!

I don't respect you because I have no reason to, but I do have a strong distaste for you and for your personal religious beliefs. And the only reason I don't tell you off the way I want to is because of the forum rules that regulate member conduct, not because I think you deserve my respect. If we were having this conversation in person, it would be much different because I'd be able to tell you exactly what I think of you without the constraints of forum rules.

 

[muhammad_isa]

If we were having this conversation in person, it would be much different because I'd be able to tell you exactly what I think of you without the constraints of forum rules.

You wouldn't need forum rules, if you had respect for God.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

But the thing is, I am highly content.

I am also highly content. I've been married for thirty years to the same man, and he has always treated me as his equal. Despite being a devout Christian, my husband has never tried to control me and tell me what to do, nor does he feel like he is morally superior to me because he has a penis and I don't.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

You wouldn't need forum rules, if you had respect for God.

I have no reason to respect your God either.

We wouldn't even be having this conversation if you would show respect for women and refrain from expressing misogynistic opinions in this thread.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I have no reason to respect your God either..

..and there lies the reason why you do not respect authority, generally.
You do not worship what I worship.
..and I do not worship what you worship.
You have your way, and I have mine .. be it politically correct or not !

God Almighty does not "do" politically correct .. He teaches truth.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

..and there lies the reason why you do not respect authority, generally.

The only time I have a problem with authority is when someone (whether a man or a woman) utilizes their authority to bully, abuse, and control others. I will not permit anyone (man or woman) to use their authority in order to bully me, abuse me, or control me and dictate what I say, how I think, or how I behave. I am my own person, and I am more than capable of making my own decisions and thinking for myself. I do not need to depend on the biblical God or on any god or use one as an emotional crutch to help me get through my life. I also won't permit anyone to push me around and control me. Over the years, I've confronted abusive men and women, as well as bullying police officers, and I will continue to do so. I will defend myself. I've also defended many abused wives and their children. Most of these abused women are Christians trying to escape an abusive husband and protect their children.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Not going to persuade me with philosophy.
Hard for me to see philosophy as anything but mental masturbation.

Whatever chemical stimulation you get from philosophy I don't have the genetics for.
That be funny though, the difference in ideological positions coming down to a difference in genetics.

That is the point, it is natural and subjective. We can go over how to do cause and effect for brains versus cause and effect independent of brains.
And how there are in effect different cases of cause and effect in different brains.

 

[Zwing]

How did a thread on atheism and morality become a discussion on chauvinism, misogyny, and their connection to monotheism? I would rather read people’s ideas about atheism and morality. And if the current topic must continue, please stop using the terms chauvinism and misogyny interchangeably. They are very different, and usually do not occur together, as misogyny is usually accompanied by feelings of inferiority, rather than feelings of superiority.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How did a thread on atheism and morality become a discussion on chauvinism, misogyny, and their connection to monotheism?

@muhammad_isa jumped in and announced that wives not submitting to their husbands was an example of immorality that comes with not being religious.

He further proclaimed that wives not complying with spousal rape was an example of this "immorality," and that spousal rape isn't a big deal, and then the whole thread pivoted to focus on that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

He further proclaimed that wives not complying with spousal rape was an example of this "immorality,"

If you think that I said such a thing, you have completely misunderstood me.

..but I assume that people bashing me on that topic are purposely misconstruing what I am saying,
to further their own agendas of disbelief.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If you think that I said such a thing, you have completely misunderstood me.

..but I assume that people bashing me on that topic are purposely misconstruing what I am saying,
to further their own agendas of disbelief.

So, to be clear, you believe that wives should have the right to refuse sex to their husbands, and also should have the right to legal protection from their husbands forcing sex upon them, correct?

 

[muhammad_isa]

So, to be clear, you believe..

I believe that God ordained marriage as a protection for women..
..and not secular laws that are replacing it.

I do not intend to be harrassed further on the subject, as it is apparently
against the rules of the forum to talk about same-sex marriage or
laws designed around adult consent in lieu of marriage.

 

[viole]

believe that God ordained marriage as a protection for women..

Yet another example of terrible design.

ciao

- viole

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I believe that God ordained marriage as a protection for women..
..and not secular laws that are replacing it.

So, if you were honest, you would answer "no" and "no".

You've made yourself clear.

 

[Zwing]

..but I assume that people bashing me on that topic…

You guys are kind of “bashing” him. I think that we would probably find Muhammad a less chauvinistic or misogynistic man than would be assumed by a reading hereof. I have found that people of a certain (“liberal”, or “woke”?) worldview are so offended by male chauvinism that any slight expression of it becomes amplified in their minds, utterly corrupting their mental image of the subject of that expression. I highly doubt that Muhammad believes that husbands should be able to rape their wives without consequence.

Anyways, as an atheist, I would love to learn more about how people might suppose a connection between atheism and immorality. Can we somehow solicit more posts regarding this topic?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You guys are kind of “bashing” him. I think that we would probably find Muhammad a less chauvinistic or misogynistic man than would be assumed by a reading hereof. I have found that people of a certain (“liberal”, or “woke”?) worldview are so offended by male chauvinism that any slight expression of it becomes amplified in their minds, utterly corrupting their mental image of the subject of that expression. I highly doubt that Muhammad believes that husbands should be able to rape their wives without consequence.

And yet, he has been asked about it directly several times and either evades answering or defends the rapist.

This is not a "slight expression" of male chauvinism. It's explicit rape apologia.