Yes.
Do you have evidence for this? And, by the way, is sexual abuse in the marriage a sexual misdemeanor?
I disagree. It is abuse either way. And if it involves forced sex, it is rape either way.
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Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?
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muhammad_isa
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If it is "wrong", why does the law not reflect it?
It is all a matter of perspective.
Not everything that is wrong is a matter for the law. It is wrong to lie to your spouse, but the law should not make it illegal.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
It is common sense.
A society that tolerates unmarried cohabitation, encourages
sexual promiscuity, which leads to trouble.
I have already been informed that rape is common in the US by @SkepticThinker
.. and I am not talking about within marriage.
muhammad_isa
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"big wrongs" are .. and murder and adultery are just that.
SkepticThinker
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I'm not into using the law to kill people for everything I find immoral. I don't think the Dark Ages were very enjoyable.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I've got news for you, rape is more common than it should be all across the globe, including rape within marriage.
Really? Do you have evidence of this? What sort of trouble?
it is common everywhere. Some places hide it in marriages.
Murder yes. Adultery, not so much. That is a matter between the people involved.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Saudi Arabia has general crime rates 100 times lower than that of America. In 1981, the rates of forcible rape were 0.33 out of 100,000. Badr-el-din Ali suggests this may be due to Saudi Arabia having a synnomic state of culture, where everyone uncompromisingly shares the same values
Rape_statistics - Wikipedia
You know, I think one needs to ask a corollary question: have you ever known a religious person to behave immorally, or even evilly, and have you ever known a non-religious person to behave morally, or even quite well?I'd suppose this depends on what you view as moral behavior but I thought I'd ask the question to see what people would say.
It is easy to justify one's personal morals but I'd like you to consider the world at large. Is the world becoming more moral or less moral?
And, does this have anything to do with the decline of religious belief?
If you've been around the block more than just once, I think you would answer, as most of us would, we've known both. And if that is so, why would anyone surmise that religious belief, or lack of it, leads to either moral or immoral behaviour? What leads people to be good or bad, moral or immoral, must be something else altogether -- something not connected with such beliefs at all.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Well, I for one, prefer not to live in a violent society.
Adultery often leads to violence .. sometimes fatal.
I also prefer not to live in a violent society. That includes those that allow violence against women in marriage.
Adultery only leads to violence in those who don't act like adults.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Hmmm ...
Rape in Saudi Arabia is regulated by Islamic law, which is the basis for the legal system of Saudi Arabia. Under Islamic law,[1] the punishment which a court can impose on the rapist may range from flogging to execution. However, there is no penal code in Saudi Arabia, and there is no written law which specifically criminalizes rape or prescribes its punishment. In addition, there is no prohibition of marital rape.[2]
If the rape victim first entered the rapist's company in violation of purdah, she also stands to be punished by the law's current holdings.[3] In 2002, there were 0.3 reported rapes per 100,000 population.[4][5]
Rape in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Hmmm ...
Rape in Saudi Arabia is regulated by Islamic law, which is the basis for the legal system of Saudi Arabia. Under Islamic law,[1] the punishment which a court can impose on the rapist may range from flogging to execution. However, there is no penal code in Saudi Arabia, and there is no written law which specifically criminalizes rape or prescribes its punishment. In addition, there is no prohibition of marital rape.[2]
If the rape victim first entered the rapist's company in violation of purdah, she also stands to be punished by the law's current holdings.[3] In 2002, there were 0.3 reported rapes per 100,000 population.[4][5]
Rape in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Informative.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
..and what is an adult supposed to act like .. impotent?
Well, not like an animal. I find it interesting that you consider not being violent to be impotent.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
The sexual instinct is powerful.
It is natural for a man to protect his property and family.
Civilised behaviour, does not include coveting another man's wife.
A wife is NOT property. And going to the law to protect is not impotence.
Coveting is natural, as you point out. Doing something about it is against most social rules. But it isn't something for the law to be involved with.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
What you describe is not reality.
I would understand if I got beaten up, for sleeping with somebody's wife.
A lot of gun crime in the US is due to "domestic" issues.
I don't drink, and avoid contact with women ..
I talk to women in appropriate settings, but if I wanted a sexual relationship,
I would seek a Muslim woman who was looking for the same.