Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[YoursTrue]

That is a belief that is of no value. There will always be some violent deaths due to human nature. The goal is to continually lower the number. Stating the obvious does not help the number of violent deaths go down.

So removing death by violence is of no value according to you? You don't KNOW if there will always be some violent deaths due to human nature. Just like you don't know when telomeres came about.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do not believe that will always be the case about violent deaths. I know you don't believe the Bible. Lowering the number doesn't bring back or restore those who have been killed violently.

We live in the real world for now. And to make things better one needs reasonable goals. Giving up because one cannot attain zero deaths does not help.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

all you need to do is look at expressly atheist societies and see how degenerate they are. nominally religious societies are also degenerate but that is not because of religion but despite it.

there is no such thing as an atheist, whatever is your priority in life, who are whatever you think is the most powerful entity on earth, whatever you get up in the morning for is your "god", even if it is not much of a god and you have nothing in particular to live for.

On that count there's no such thing as a Christian because none of them are doing what he said.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So removing death by violence is of no value according to you? You don't KNOW if there will always be some violent deaths due to human nature. Just like you don't know when telomeres came about.

My post implied the opposite of that. I could say the same about you since you seem to have given up since the goal of zero cannot be attained. I was rather clear the fewer are better than a lot and that is our goal. You appear to be too ready to give up.

 

[Valjean]

You might try reading the entire article and/or ask SubductionZone and others here. Nevertheless I find it interesting.

We've known about telemeres for decades. Students learn about them in high school biology. But what does any of this have to do with God or religion? It's just basic biology.

 

[YoursTrue]

We've known about telemeres for decades. Students learn about them in high school biology. But what does any of this have to do with God or religion? It's just basic biology.

I find it interesting.

 

[YoursTrue]

My post implied the opposite of that. I could say the same about you since you seem to have given up since the goal of zero cannot be attained. I was rather clear the fewer are better than a lot and that is our goal. You appear to be too ready to give up.

Why do you say the goal of zero cannot be attained? perhaps you can tell a grieving mother whose child has been violently killed well it's not happening as much as it used to

 

[YoursTrue]

What, if anything, encourages/discourages immoral behavior?
Other than punishment, since some feel there ought to be something other than punishment that drives our moral behavior.

Evidently the fear of punishment does not stop some people from committing violent acts.

 

[YoursTrue]

We live in the real world for now. And to make things better one needs reasonable goals. Giving up because one cannot attain zero deaths does not help.

The real-world has lots of violence as well as suicides. I firmly believe there is a better world coming...

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I find it interesting.

You find it perplexing and magical, as your posts have shown.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Why do you say the goal of zero cannot be attained? perhaps you can tell a grieving mother whose child has been violently killed well it's not happening as much as it used to

Why would you suppose that doing that would be of any help to that grieving mother -- even it is in fact true? It doesn't help a parent whose child has died of drowning to tell it that it was an accident and nobody intended it.

We live in a real world, an imperfect world, one in which bad stuff happens. We don't want it to happen, we care when it happens to us, and hopefully we care when it happens to others --- and then we (hopefully) see what we can do to fix it. Will we ever fix everything, forever? I very seriously doubt it. But should we stop trying?

 

[YoursTrue]

Why would you suppose that doing that would be of any help to that grieving mother -- even it is in fact true? It doesn't help a parent whose child has died of drowning to tell it that it was an accident and nobody intended it.

We live in a real world, an imperfect world, one in which bad stuff happens. We don't want it to happen, we care when it happens to us, and hopefully we care when it happens to others --- and then we (hopefully) see what we can do to fix it. Will we ever fix everything, forever? I very seriously doubt it. But should we stop trying?

What do you mean "we don't want it to happen." Obviously someone wants it to happen. Only God can overturn mankind's problems.

 

[Trailblazer]

Only God can overturn mankind's problems.

Only man can overturn mankind's problems, with the assistance of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The real-world has lots of violence as well as suicides. I firmly believe there is a better world coming...

Such beliefs more often than not are counter productive. All to often people that believe that think that they do not have to do anything to make our world better. If you want an end to violence you should be working on actions that will at least lower the rates of violence rather than blaming it all on God.

 

[YoursTrue]

Such beliefs more often than not are counter productive.

No they are not.

 

[YoursTrue]

Only man can overturn mankind's problems, with the assistance of God.

Each one will have to decide.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No they are not.

How would you know? You refuse to learn even the most basics of ideas and think that God will fix everything when there is no evidence of him ever fixing anything at all. At best you appear to be mistranslating scripture.

 

[Valjean]

Evidently the fear of punishment does not stop some people from committing violent acts.

"Tough on crime" legislation usually creates unexpected blowback, and sometimes increased gang activity and organized crime.

Most petty criminals tend to be impulsive, and they rarely do much risk-benefit analysis.

 

[Valjean]

Such beliefs more often than not are counter productive. All to often people that believe that think that they do not have to do anything to make our world better. If you want an end to violence you should be working on actions that will at least lower the rates of violence rather than blaming it all on God.

Vindictiveness and punishment may satisfy our desire for vengeance, but it does little to rehabilitate the offenders or address the fundamental causes of crime.

 

[Trailblazer]

Each one will have to decide.

Decide what?