Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[ChristineM]

Almost like some of that irony, for a
"God"- believer to complain of someone
assuming facts not in evidence.

:: WINNER ::

 

[F1fan]

And right here, you are assuming things not in evidence.

Those who assume a god/creator have no evidence. Those in current times are simply repeating old traditions of blief that have no use in science and reason.

There’s no evidence that mindless natural processes, without guidance, can originate any type of simple life (if there is such a thing), let alone the complex interactions within & between living organisms themselves.

You are relying on what ancient people assumed about how the universe functions. Notice science doesn't rely on gods and magic to explain anything, and that's because they aren't needed, and there's no evidence of them.

Have you ever heard of Dr. Barry Taff?

Do you think invisible spirit life, let alone the ability to interact with it, has been “discredited by the sciences”?

Theists make all sorts of religious claims they can't show are true in reality.

 

[F1fan]

In some instances, yes.
..but I do not wish to be sidetracked in this thread..

Did women sidetrack your ongoing admission of anti-human rights for women?

There are reasons.
..and it is not because God disrespects women or hates them .. on the contrary.

Right, it's islamic men as you reveal. I didn;t realize some Muslim men were still lost in the 8th century.

A constant battle between the sexes only causes division .. not happiness.

That's what happens when you don't treat women as equals.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Have you ever heard of Dr. Barry Taff?

I've heard of Dr. Taff and am aware of his contributions to the paranormal field. I've heard him on Coast to Coast AM, but I haven't read his book. I'm also aware that the Doris Bither case, which he investigated in 1974, inspired Frank De Felitta's 1978 book The Entity, which inspired the film of the same name.

Do you think invisible spirit life, let alone the ability to interact with it, has been “discredited by the sciences”?

I'd like to re-post what I wrote in another thread yesterday because I think it's a good response to your post. Read the original post here.

Skeptics won't believe in the paranormal until they have personally witnessed poltergeist activity and have seen enough proof that they cannot disprove or rationally explain away. I've seen it happen time and time again over the last fifteen years, so I don't bother to argue or debate with skeptics. I let the chips fall where they may when skeptics are participating in a paranormal investigation with me. I always let them make their own decision on whether to believe and never tried to convince them. If a skeptic tries to argue with me during or after an investigation, I'll shut them down and tell them that they've seen the same evidence as everyone else, and it's their decision whether to believe or not. I've told them that it doesn't matter to me if they believe or not.

 

[We Never Know]

What gives you the impression that a husband has the right to expect sex from his wife? In your opinion, where does that "right" come from? And despite your personal opinion on the definition of rape in a marriage, if a man forces himself on his wife and has sex with her without her consent, then he can be arrested, charged, and convicted of spousal rape (marital rape) and possible other charges as well. In other words, the law disagrees with you, and thank the gods for that. As a woman, a survivor of abuse, and a rape victim myself, I vehemently support prosecuting and convicting any man (who is obviously a sexual predator) who rapes a woman, regardless of whether she is his wife. He should go to prison, and he can rot in prison as far as I am concerned.

Joke....

Sally wakes up in the middle of the night because her husband shoved two aspirin in her mouth.
She says WTH are you doing? I don't have a headache!
He says good, let's have sex.

 

[nPeace]

@It Aint Necessarily So

[1] Matt 5:28-32 - Jesus says marriage to a divorcee is adultery; and a man who ogles a woman has already committed adultery; and that you must cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if it offends.

The context in scripture, show that Jesus refers to un-scriptural divorce - that is a divorce that is not based on sexual immorality on the part of a mate.
This is reasonable, for the reasons I mentioned.
Jesus is not saying that a widow cannot remarry, if their husband dies, or committed sexual immorality on which the marriage ended, anymore than he was saying that one must sell all their belongings and follow him naked. ...Or that one should cut off a body member, or pluck out one's eye.

In this case Jesus used hyperbole, to emphasize the sacrifice one needs to make, and the effort one needs to take to remove those things which causes one to sin.
It's not a literal cutting off your hand or plucking out your eye.

Looking at a woman, so as to have a passion for her, is committing adultery in one's mind. Isn't that obvious?
A sin can take place in the heart, before it leads to the physical act.
For example, I could wish you dead, in my heart, or in my heart think of how to make that a reality.
The Bible says that hating a person in your heart, amounts to murdering that person.
The spirit is just as real as the flesh - the spiritual just as real as the physical.

While one man only sees it possible to feed physically - feed the flesh, another sees it possible to feed spiritually - feed the spirit.

 

[muhammad_isa]

That's what happens when you don't treat women as equals.

That is not what I observe..
I see a constant barrage of complaints, regardless.

It's human nature .. the grass is always greener...

 

[ChristineM]

That is not what I observe..
I see a constant barrage of complaints, regardless.

It's human nature .. the grass is always greener...

Thats how it goes, you treat women like dirt, all you get is dirt. Treat women as equal and you get equal.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Thats how it goes, you treat women like dirt, all you get is dirt. Treat women as equal and you get equal.

Yes, his suggestion that a woman can be spanked by her husband as he would a naughty child is a surefire way to turn people against him.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, his suggestion that a woman can be spanked by her husband as he would a naughty child is a surefire way to turn people against him.

It's something he would only try with me if he enjoys hospital food ;-)

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The context in scripture, show that Jesus refers to un-scriptural divorce - that is a divorce that is not based on sexual immorality on the part of a mate.

That's still not what I consider exemplary moral advice. There are plenty of other good reasons to divorce

anymore than he was saying that one must sell all their belongings and follow him naked

No, he didn't use the word naked or the word must, but he did recommend owning nothing: "“If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Do you suppose that he considered clothes an exception to the sell everything advice? I consider that poor advice.

In this case Jesus used hyperbole, to emphasize the sacrifice one needs to make, and the effort one needs to take to remove those things which causes one to sin.
It's not a literal cutting off your hand or plucking out your eye.

I disagree. Jesus probably meant it literally.

Looking at a woman, so as to have a passion for her, is committing adultery in one's mind. Isn't that obvious?

Not only not obvious, not correct according to my moral compass, although it's not clear what you mean by passion. A sexy person is somebody who looks sexy. That's an automatic response, like finding something funny or beautiful. How one responds determines his moral character, not how he feels. No thought or feeling is immoral.

A sin can take place in the heart, before it leads to the physical act.

That's a religious belief. There is no such thing as sin if there are no gods giving commandments.

The spirit is just as real as the flesh

Assuming you mean the word spirit in the religious sense, I disagree again. The "spirit" is a manifestation of the brain and likely dies with it.

If you recall, this began with me asking another poster for an example of an original contribution to moral theory coming from Jesus, which led to a list of what I considered bad moral advice from Jesus, some of which you are addressing now. Did you care to try and field that broader question?

And if you care to, maybe you (or any other Christian) can explain what makes his life exemplary or noteworthy apart from the unsupported claims of him doing miracles? Even many unbelievers say that the life of Jesus was special. I understand that a major religion grew up around that story, but that doesn't make the life described in the Gospels exemplary. How is Jesus any better an example than the thousands of others who dedicate their life to advocating for a return to piety, and how are any of them better than people who devote their lives in the service of others, like a good teacher or nurse?

 

[nPeace]

That's still not what I consider exemplary moral advice. There are plenty of other good reasons to divorce

No, he didn't use the word naked or the word must, but he did recommend owning nothing: "“If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Do you suppose that he considered clothes an exception to the sell everything advice? I consider that poor advice.

I disagree. Jesus probably meant it literally.

Not only not obvious, not correct according to my moral compass, although it's not clear what you mean by passion. A sexy person is somebody who looks sexy. That's an automatic response, like finding something funny or beautiful. How one responds determines his moral character, not how he feels. No thought or feeling is immoral.

That's a religious belief. There is no such thing as sin if there are no gods giving commandments.

Assuming you mean the word spirit in the religious sense, I disagree again. The "spirit" is a manifestation of the brain and likely dies with it.

If you recall, this began with me asking another poster for an example of an original contribution to moral theory coming from Jesus, which led to a list of what I considered bad moral advice from Jesus, some of which you are addressing now. Did you care to try and field that broader question?

And if you care to, maybe you (or any other Christian) can explain what makes his life exemplary or noteworthy apart from the unsupported claims of him doing miracles? Even many unbelievers say that the life of Jesus was special. I understand that a major religion grew up around that story, but that doesn't make the life described in the Gospels exemplary. How is Jesus any better an example than the thousands of others who dedicate their life to advocating for a return to piety, and how are any of them better than people who devote their lives in the service of others, like a good teacher or nurse?

I did not know this was about you.
Oh, This is about how morally upright atheist are, right.
Sorry, but declaring yourself morally upright does not make it so.
I'll get back to you later, Just wanted to touch on what struck me from your first sentence.
Why am I addressing your points again? Can you remind me of that. Thanks.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Thats how it goes, you treat women like dirt, all you get is dirt. Treat women as equal and you get equal.

You're thinking the worst of people all the time.
I was referring to human beings looking at what others have got ... in this case men,
and wanting what they have.

 

[ChristineM]

You're thinking the worst of people all the time.
I was referring to human beings looking at what others have got ... in this case men,
and wanting what they have.

You mean like how you think the worst of women or do you mean something different?

 

[muhammad_isa]

You mean like how you think the worst of women or do you mean something different?

An incorrect accusation.
I respect women .. particularly Muslim women, who wear their hijab because they love God.

I tend to mind my own business. If women want to attract attention to themselves, by displaying
their female beauty, I ignore it. People are entitled to live how they like.
What I object to, is the squabbling and police time wasted on Saturday nights.

 

[F1fan]

That is not what I observe..
I see a constant barrage of complaints, regardless.

When you offend people with your disresepect for women and their basic human rights you might attract criticism.

It's human nature .. the grass is always greener...

Your side of the fence is mud.

You're thinking the worst of people all the time.

If only you posted less often.

I was referring to human beings looking at what others have got ... in this case men,
and wanting what they have.

You represent husbands who look at wives and want what they have whenever they want it. How it is different when you treat wives as objects to use?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If it has to do with spirits, I'm probably not interested if he [Dr. Taff] doesn't have good evidence for them, and when do we ever get that?

If you could only go on an investigation with him, where they manifested themselves!

Or with a poster on here, @Sgt. Pepper .

It would no doubt change your worldview understanding.

Which means that they (the spirits) probably wouldn’t reveal themselves… they wouldn’t want to alter your atheistic worldview. They are content with you claiming there is no God.

Have a good night, my friend.

Almost like some of that irony, for a
"God"- believer to complain of someone
assuming facts not in evidence.

Fact: whenever complex patterns relaying information have been found, a mind has always been considered its source.

The entire framework of SETI was based on this principle.


Fact: we have found - and continue to find - orders of magnitude more complex patterns relaying information in the genetic code.


But the origin of this…doesn’t need a mind?

Illogical thinking.

Goodnight.

 

[PearlSeeker]

The "beating one's wife" is illegal, unless like spanking a child for being naughty.

So is the behavior of the man in the video below ok to you?

 

[ChristineM]

What I object to, is the squabbling and police time wasted on Saturday nights.

ROFLMAO. Really, i am sure you cannot see what you wrote there

 

[muhammad_isa]

So is the behavior of the man in the video below ok to you?

I have no intention of watching it..
Who do you think I am .. a high court judge?