Does being anti-Israel mean you're anti-semitic?

[Comprehend]

Is it possible to talk about one side of a story without reffering to the other for a sense of perspective?

Unfortunately, all to often, it is.

Yes and with the question posed, it is not a problem to do so. You are simply distracting from the issue by bringing up the "other side".

The question was essentially:

Does being anti-cheese mean that you are anti-dairy?

It really has nothing to do with the properties of dairy or how the dairy products treat others or even what the dairy product has done to deserve the dislike.

 

[jamaesi]

Yes, but what the Israelis are doing is also a reaction to the other countries around them. When the president of Iran says that "Israel should be wiped off the map," he is making life harder for the Palestinians.

Did he really say that?

Or was it "translated" to say that...

 

[capslockf9]

The spirit withers when it is trapped in an american, korean, mexican or any other reduction of human. When we identufy as a sepertae type of human, be it by by religion or nation we create violence. Insentience keeps most peple in closed contracted impoverished limited life.

 

[Comprehend]

Did he really say that?

Or was it "translated" to say that...

great googily. Yes, he said it.

And if he didn't are you seriously not sure how Amadini-wack-job feels about Israel?

:sarcastic

 

[lilithu]

There is no such thing as "Gods' " chosen pelple.. I know europeans have no right to arab land. There is no such thing as a race of people. I know we are all brothers. And all this makes me an antagonistic to the " jew race".

If there's no such thing as race, the how can you be antagonistic to the "jew race"? How can you be antagonistic to the "jew race" if you know we're all ahem... brothers?

And the thing about being God's chosen people is totally misunderstood. It is as much of a burden as it is an honor. How come no one gets mad at indigenous peoples when their myths have them being the chosen people of their gods? sheesh.

 

[lilithu]

Did he really say that?

Or was it "translated" to say that...

Well I don't speak Farsi, so I can only go by what the translations say. But I don't hear anyone saying that the translations are inaccurate.

The dude is an ***. He claims there are no gays in Iran, even tho they just executed two. He allows the continued persecution of the Baha'i. Why would this statement come as a surprise?

 

[jamaesi]

great googily. Yes, he said it.

And if he didn't are you seriously not sure how Amadini-wack-job feels about Israel?

Oh, I didn't know you spoke Farsi! Can you translate this for us, then? We could get this cleared up once and for all.

Well I don't speak Farsi, so I can only go by what the translations say. But I don't hear anyone saying that the translations are inaccurate.

The dude is an ***. He claims there are no gays in Iran, even tho they just executed two. He allows the continued persecution of the Baha'i. Why would this statement come as a surprise?

Him being an "***" has absolutely no bearing on this. Did he say word for word that "Israel should be wiped off the map"?

 

[lilithu]

Him being an "***" has absolutely no bearing on this. Did he say word for word that "Israel should be wiped off the map"?

Jamaesi, I told you I don't speak Farsi, but I don't hear anyone saying that the translation is inaccurate.

If this is a sincere question then I will ask our office manager for you when I see her on Wednesday.

Do you also want me to check whether he said that the holocaust was a myth?

 

[capslockf9]

If there's no such thing as race, the how can you be antagonistic to the "jew race"? How can you be antagonistic to the "jew race" if you know we're all ahem... brothers?

And the thing about being God's chosen people is totally misunderstood. It is as much of a burden as it is an honor. How come no one gets mad at indigenous peoples when their myths have them being the chosen people of their gods? sheesh.

I said "jew race " because it is they that think of themselve as an other form of human.

 

[greatcalgarian]

No. but anti-semites often hide behind this defense.

I thought it is the other way round. People with ulterior motive always paint those anti-Israel and anti-Zionist to be anti-semites by distorting the words, or putting words into their mouth.

 

[Comprehend]

Oh, I didn't know you spoke Farsi! Can you translate this for us, then? We could get this cleared up once and for all.

tee hee hee.

There are plenty of reliable people who have translated it and I notice you didn't respond to the rest of my question.


Please try to answer the question:

Whether he said it or not, are you trying to claim that the President of Iran doesn't hate Israel?

It is obvious to everyone that he hates Israel. You trying to play linguistic games with one statement when he has been a walking anti-semitic slur is a tad dishonest.

 

[Comprehend]

Jamaesi, I told you I don't speak Farsi, but I don't hear anyone saying that the translation is inaccurate.

If this is a sincere question then I will ask our office manager for you when I see her on Wednesday.

Do you also want me to check whether he said that the holocaust was a myth?

While you are at it, could you also ask about there being no gays in Iran and whether Iran's women have equal rights with men? :cover: (oh wait, different thread, but I am sure those are all mistranslations as well).

 

[greatcalgarian]

Did he really say that?

Or was it "translated" to say that...

Israel should be wiped off the earth is the correct translation. Ahmadinejad has clarified what he meant by that. He is against the concept of creating a nation of Israel by force and inserting it among the Palestinians, and resulted in displacement and suffering of the Palestinians living there prior to 1948. What he said is that if the West is so supportive of the poor Jews living in the West who has been discriminated against in the Western countries, those countries (for example, Germany, UK etc) should 'donate' a piece of the land in Germany and UK and let all the Jews immigrate there and form an 'Israel' nation there instead of at the current location. That is what he meant by wiped off, but most west MSM never followed up with the subsequent explanation by him. Of course, there is a counter arguement to Ahmadinejad location of a new Israel nation, and the Zionist claimed that it was written that God has said that the Jews will finally be given to build the nation in the current Israel location.

 

[greatcalgarian]

While you are at it, could you also ask about there being no gays in Iran and whether Iran's women have equal rights with men? :cover: (oh wait, different thread, but I am sure those are all mistranslations as well).

Go and accept Ahmadinejad invitation and go to the Iran universities to ask your question. Perhaps they will provide a translator for you.

 

[Quagmire]

Yes and with the question posed, it is not a problem to do so. You are simply distracting from the issue by bringing up the "other side".

The question was essentially:

Does being anti-cheese mean that you are anti-dairy?

It really has nothing to do with the properties of dairy or how the dairy products treat others or even what the dairy product has done to deserve the dislike.

Just trying to determine that what's coming out of the cow in this case is indeed a dairy product, because there's always at least one other catagory it could fall under.

(Ok, now we are getting off topic).

 

[jamaesi]

Jamaesi, I told you I don't speak Farsi, but I don't hear anyone saying that the translation is inaccurate.

If this is a sincere question then I will ask our office manager for you when I see her on Wednesday.

Do you also want me to check whether he said that the holocaust was a myth?

Perhaps this will be of some help.

Though it does remind me of people saying they "never hear moderate Muslims speak out against terrorism..."

Ah well. I'm a linguist. **** happens in translation, I've accepted that as much as it bothers me...

Please try to answer the question:

Please try to be polite and respectful in your comments and requests towards me. Questioning my intellect and ability to comprehend is not polite nor respectful.

 

[Comprehend]

Please try to be polite and respectful in your comments and requests towards me. Questioning my intellect and ability to comprehend is not polite nor respectful.

I didn't question either of those things, but I do question whether or not you are going to answer the question. This is the second time you have avoided it...

oh, and the "comprehend" joke was real original...:sarcastic

 

[Comprehend]

news story from today:

Iranians chant 'death to Israel' in mass protest

Iranians chant 'death to Israel' in mass protest

Tens of thousands of Iranians marched through Tehran on Friday proclaiming solidarity with Palestinians and chanting "Death to Israel" in the Islamic republic's annual protest against the Jewish state.

Iranians of all ages began the march through the centre of the capital to Tehran University to mark Quds Day, calling for Jerusalem and Israel to be handed to the Palestinians.
Coloured bibs were handed out to protestors with the legend "Death to Israel, Death to United States" while "Palestine will only be free with fighting and faith" was the slogan on one banner. Despite the heavily politicised nature of the demonstration, there was a festive mood with the numerous children present having their faces painted as cats and rabbits in entertainment laid on by the municipality.

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The Tehran demonstration was due to culminate in a speech by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the university.


Ahmadinejad provoked an international outcry shortly after his election in 2005 when he called for Israel to be "wiped from the map" and also described the Holocaust as a "myth".
Although he subsequently toned down his rhetoric slightly, Ahmadinejad has still repeatedly predicted that Israel is doomed to disappear and questioned the scale of the mass slaughter of Jews in World War II.

I think it's nice that they include the children in their "celebrating"...


I have a guess that *somebody* is still going to deny he said it and that he hates Israel.... I would be happy to be wrong though.

 

[Comprehend]

More Semitic love from wack-job:

'Let Jews move to Europe or Alaska' | Jerusalem Post

'Let Jews move to Europe or Alaska'

Millions of Iranians attended nationwide rallies Friday in support of the Palestinians, while the country's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel's continued existence was an "insult to human dignity."

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Ayatollah Mahould Hashemi Shahroudi, Iran's judiciary chief, said Friday's rallies was "a good start for the destruction of the Zionist regime."

 

[Smoke]

What he said is that if the West is so supportive of the poor Jews living in the West who has been discriminated against in the Western countries, those countries (for example, Germany, UK etc) should 'donate' a piece of the land in Germany and UK and let all the Jews immigrate there and form an 'Israel' nation there instead of at the current location.

There actually were early proposals for a Jewish homeland in South America or Africa, but those were very divisive. For many Jews, it was Palestine or nothing. And the Brits who were in power at the time didn't have much inclination to let their policies be guided by concerns about what the "blacks" (as they called the Palestinians) might want -- no more than they were concerned about the natives of Uganda.

But I think Mahmoud's proposal is rhetorical. He knows that's not going to happen.

I will believe Arab and Persian leaders are truly concerned about human rights and self-determination when they propose independent states for the Kurds, Copts, Maronites, Assyrians, and other minorities in Muslim lands. It's not about human rights; it's about the idea that land once conquered by the Dar al-Islam cannot be allowed to fall into the hands of infidels again.