Does believing, thinking or feeling something is true actually make it true?

[Clizby Wampuscat]

What is your evidence that something is real?

Omg, no I don't have certainty that my perception of reality is true, or that we actually exist. I assume reality exists so I can live. These discussion on gender get ridiculous fast.

As for defintion here is one for God. God is the creator of the universe. So it is a fact, that God is the creator of the universe, because the defintion says so. Stop using defintions as if they denote facts. They don't. They denote meaning. That is something else.

I don't think you understand my claim. All I am claiming is that scientists use the word male and female to refer to humans with XY or XX chromosomes. Is this not true? Can you answer this question?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Omg, no I don't have certainty that my perception of reality is true, or that we actually exist. I assume reality exists so I can live. These discussion on gender get ridiculous fast.

I don't think you understand my claim. All I am claiming is that scientists use the word male and female to refer to humans with XY or XX chromosomes. Is this not true? Can you answer this question?

Yeah, but that doesn't make true as a fact. But yes, it is that they use the words like that.

 

[Alien826]

Okay, short version. In one form of how humans think, they in a sense are their feelings and thought and react. In another they reflect over how they think and feel. You did the latter, but not all humans do that.

Actually, I don't typically reflect over how or why I feel "male". I just do. In this case I was challenged to do so and found that I didn't have a clearly defined answer, but it didn't matter.

 

[Alien826]

When gender cannot be defined then how do you know you are one gender over another?

I just know. I tried to explain how I was justified in not checking my feelings against some list of "male attributes". You don't always need an exact definition to conclude that something exists.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It can be defined. It is done so in Danish.

Kønsidentitet

For nogle mennesker vil kønsidentitet være forskellig fra det fødselstildelte køn.

www.sst.dk

Kønsidentitet er det enkelte individs indre følelse og oplevelse af sit køn.

This is what is says:

Gender identity is the individual's inner feeling and experience of their gender.

So what are these inner feelings or experiences? If I say I feel like I am sad I can tell you what I am feeling. If I say I feel like a man, what does that feel like?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Yeah, but that doesn't make true as a fact. But yes, it is that they use the words like that.

Yes it is a fact that biologists use the term male and female.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This is what is says:

Gender identity is the individual's inner feeling and experience of their gender.

So what are these inner feelings or experiences? If I say I feel like I am sad I can tell you what I am feeling. If I say I feel like a man, what does that feel like?

Well, if you ask a transgender person according to what you would deem that person to be, how he/she/they feel about it, they would tell you that they don't feel like that and they don't like that you claim you know their gender. I.e. in some sense they feel sad.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes it is a fact that biologists use the term male and female.

Yeah, but that deosn't make the term a fact. It is a fact they use the term, but that is not the same.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I just know. I tried to explain how I was justified in not checking my feelings against some list of "male attributes". You don't always need an exact definition to conclude that something exists.

It seems like saying I feel like a man is just as acceptable as saying I feel like a duck. As a man, I don't know what it feels like to be a man I don't think I am a man because I feel like it.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Well, if you ask a transgender person according to what you would deem that person to be, how he/she/they feel about it, they would tell you that they don't feel like that and they don't like that you claim you know their gender. I.e. in some sense they feel sad.

Ok, but what feelings are they supposed to have to identify as a man or a woman?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It seems like saying I feel like a man is just as acceptable as saying I feel like a duck. As a man, I don't know what it feels like to be a man I don't think I am a man because I feel like it.

No, because non-biological man and woman are both cultural sets of behaviours and so on.
Duck is not the same as that doesn't relate to humans.

 

[McBell]

It seems like saying I feel like a man is just as acceptable as saying I feel like a duck.

And here I thought the go to ridiculousness was frog...

As a man, I don't know what it feels like to be a man I don't think I am a man because I feel like it.

Perhaps you should figure that out before presenting more of the above nonsense?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Yeah, but that deosn't make the term a fact. It is a fact they use the term, but that is not the same.

It is a fact that a male is defined as a person with XY sex chromosomes. So it is a fact that a person with XY chromosomes is a male. What is not a fact here? The universe has no definition of male or female, we made them up to identify the differences between humans.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ok, but what feelings are they supposed to have to identify as a man or a woman?

Are you male? Now dress like a woman, act like a woman and think/feel like a woman. You will find you don't like it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It is a fact that a male is defined as a person with XY sex chromosomes. So it is a fact that a person with XY chromosomes is a male. What is not a fact here? The universe has no definition of male or female, we made them up to identify the differences between humans.

The defintion is not a fact. It is a definition. It is not a fact that a person with XY chromosomes is a male, because you can give no evidence for that. You do know what evidence is, right?

 

[SalixIncendium]

It seems like saying I feel like a man is just as acceptable as saying I feel like a duck. As a man, I don't know what it feels like to be a man I don't think I am a man because I feel like it.

Did you think 'man' is a taxonomical family? Because that's what 'duck' is. How often have you heard anyone say they feel like a great ape or hominidae?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

No, because non-biological man and woman are both cultural sets of behaviours and so on.
Duck is not the same as that doesn't relate to humans.

So we are back to the question what makes someone a man or a woman?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So we are back to the question what makes someone a man or a woman?

That we choose to use the defintions.
Not everything in reality is an objective fact. I thought you knew that?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Are you male? Now dress like a woman, act like a woman and think/feel like a woman. You will find you don't like it.

What does a woman act, dress or think/feel like?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What does a woman act, dress or think/feel like?

For example a lot of women I know like to talk about feelings. And use a lot of time on choose cloth to wear. There are other examples and those relate to gender.