Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[savagewind]

I advertise as you call it for the One who said: Exekiel 6:
14 I will stretch out my hand against them and make the land desolate, and all their dwelling places will become more desolate than the wilderness near Dib′lah. And they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”

There is no false prophesying, and never has been with God's people.

Did you distribute the Watchtower Magazine which said the generation alive in 1914 would see the end of false religion?

 

[MikeSavage]

Did you distribute the Watchtower Magazine which said the generation alive in 1914 would see the end of false religion?

Don't know. When was it published? That statement is true however. I know people born then who are alive today, and the age of Satan's rule will end very shortly according to the things that Jesus said to watch for, and according to Revelation to John. What was the publication date?

I assume that you are falsely claiming that statement to be a prophecy. No, it's stating the understanding of the scriptures. It is God Himself who makies prophecies, through various people. He no longer does that, and hasn't since the last of the apostles died.

 

[savagewind]

Don't know. When was it published? That statement is true however. I know people born then who are alive today, and the age of Satan's rule will end very shortly according to the things that Jesus said to watch for, and according to Revelation to John. What was the publication date?

Maybe I am wrong about it being in the Watchtower. When I went to meetings all talks at conventions would show up in the Watchtower later.
"The Bible and "The Bible in Stone" [the Pyramid of Giza] give the date 1914: for the beginning of the great change. History proves that the ouster proceedings began promptly on time.Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." p.171"For those who are now living and who will never die…" p.211
"What an exciting message they proclaimed--"Millions now living will never die!" Brother Rutherford had given a discourse on this subject in 1918. It was also the title of a 128-page booklet published in 1920. From 1920 through 1925, that same subject was featured again and again around the world in public meetings in all areas where speakers were available and in upwards of 30 languages." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.425

 

[savagewind]

Don't know. When was it published? That statement is true however. I know people born then who are alive today, and the age of Satan's rule will end very shortly according to the things that Jesus said to watch for, and according to Revelation to John. What was the publication date?

I assume that you are falsely claiming that statement to be a prophecy. No, it's stating the understanding of the scriptures. It is God Himself who makies prophecies, through various people. He no longer does that, and hasn't since the last of the apostles died.

I guess you're saying that leaning on sematics is what saves a person.

 

[MikeSavage]

Maybe I am wrong about it being in the Watchtower. When I went to meetings all talks at conventions would show up in the Watchtower later.
"The Bible and "The Bible in Stone" [the Pyramid of Giza] give the date 1914: for the beginning of the great change. History proves that the ouster proceedings began promptly on time.Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." p.171"For those who are now living and who will never die…" p.211
"What an exciting message they proclaimed--"Millions now living will never die!" Brother Rutherford had given a discourse on this subject in 1918. It was also the title of a 128-page booklet published in 1920. From 1920 through 1925, that same subject was featured again and again around the world in public meetings in all areas where speakers were available and in upwards of 30 languages." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.425

Realize that Rutherford is now sleeping in death. Many refinements in understanding are made every year, as the study of scriptures is constant. If it was published in 1920 it probably says things that have since been refined.

 

[Shak34]

Realize that Rutherford is now sleeping in death. Many refinements in understanding are made every year, as the study of scriptures is constant. If it was published in 1920 it probably says things that have since been refined.

Why would God's suposed channel need to be refine? Shouldn't they always have it right since according to JW teaching Jesus only mediates them?

 

[Ouroboros]

Santa, Satan? Santa is simply the Latin word for "saint". I wouldn't put too much stock into the letters used.

Don't get stuck in Satan's claws.

By the way, I think the song "Santa is coming to town" is a bit creepy. It makes it sound like Santa is a creepy stalker who's after you.

 

[MikeSavage]

Why would God's suposed channel need to be refine? Shouldn't they always have it right since according to JW teaching Jesus only mediates them?

The understanding gets refined constantly. What, do you think we speak conversationaly face to face to Jesus or his Father? No one can look upon the face of God the Almighty and live.

 

[McBell]

Hitting the nerve now, huh? I thought we are just debating.

Naw, I have learned to not cast pearls before swine.

Besides, your dishonesty is disgusting.

 

[MikeSavage]

Naw, I have learned to not cast pearls before swine.

Besides, your dishonesty is disgusting.

As the devil's advocate, why would you use his opponent's own words?

 

[McBell]

Take it up with God.

I will.
As soon as he gets around to showing up

The "idea" of love, as you call it, is from the scriptures, which are from God the Almighty.

Bold empty claim.
Especially given your god is conveniently absent.

Arguing, disagreeing, complaining, name calling, etc., will NOT change the facts now, will it.

Yet here you are...

Oh wait...
Did you mean those other than yourself?

You might want to clarify...

 

[McBell]

As the devil's advocate, why would you use his opponent's own words?

Do you think god has some sort of monopoly on the words?
A copy write perhaps?

 

[MikeSavage]

I will.
As soon as he gets around to showing up


Bold empty claim.
Especially given your god is conveniently absent.


Yet here you are...

Oh wait...
Did you mean those other than yourself?

You might want to clarify...

Oh, He is your God as well as mine, and He was never missing.

 

[Shak34]

The understanding gets refined constantly. What, do you think we speak conversationaly face to face to Jesus or his Father? No one can look upon the face of God the Almighty and live.

Since the bible says that God never changes, I don't see where you would need refinement.

 

[MikeSavage]

Since the bible says that God never changes, I don't see where you would need refinement.

Who said I needed refinement? I certainly never said I needed any. We all do though, as we are all imperfect.

 

[Shak34]

Who said I needed refinement? I certainly never said I needed any. We all do though, as we are all imperfect.

I meant the religion as a whole. How they have "refined" their ideas/beliefs since Rutherford and even many times after him.

 

[MikeSavage]

I meant the religion as a whole. How they have "refined" their ideas/beliefs since Rutherford and even many times after him.

Because further understanding is provided in due time by God using His holy spirit. Many things are yet to be revealed, as the inspired word of God very clearly indicates.

 

[McBell]

Oh, He is your God as well as mine,

You are just plump full of bold empty claims.

and He was never missing.

Except any time I want to ask him a question.

Now I predict you will be going off on some whine fest about being possessed by the holy spirit,
or that your god is really there and I am ignoring him...

So which one of the bold empty claim filled cookie cutter tantrums reserved for this type moment are you going to dust off?

 

[MikeSavage]

You are just plump full of bold empty claims.


Except any time I want to ask him a question.

Now I predict you will be going off on some whine fest about being possessed by the holy spirit,
or that your god is really there and I am ignoring him,
or one of the other bold empty claim filled cookie cutter tantums reserved for this type moment...

I believe the phrase is "plumb full of crap", not plump full of crap. Why, though, do you think you can directly ask Him a question and expect an answer, as though you were having a conversation?

 

[McBell]

I believe the phrase is "plumb full of crap", not plump full of crap.

If you prefer to full of crap that is up to you.
I said full of bold empty claims.
I would ask if you care to substantiate any, but you have already made it clear you are all about the bold empty claim.

Why, though, do you think you can directly ask Him a question and expect an answer, as though you were having a conversation?

Because it is claimed your god is all about the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Anything less than a direct answer to a direct question is dishonest.

So i make the assumption if it is true that your god is about the truth and does not give direct answers to direct questions, he must not be around to hear the the question, give an answer, or both.