Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[Reverend Rick]

All Christian holidays are celebrated on or near a previous Pagan Holiday, go figure!

 

[JM2C]

Yes, really. If you do not honor what He requires of us, it shows a lack of love for God the Almighty. No question of it. And I am not "you people", I am one man. You also quoted a couple of hand picked scriptures referring to prophets. I am not a prophet, so it doesn't pertain. I have not spoken anything prophetic either, so again, it does not pertain. Are you sober?

I really thought you are one them JW, but the thing is, you really sounds like them. What I meant is your doctrine is somehow paralleled to them or you’re denying that you are one them.

 

[Desert Snake]

All Christian holidays are celebrated on or near a previous Pagan Holiday, go figure!

Therefore..

 

[savagewind]

Ephesians 2:14
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,

Does it say he made the two groups the same?

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

All one or all the same?

Colossians 3:15
Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.

Does it say we are called to agree on what is right?

Whose idea is it to make everyone obedient to the old rules?

Acts 10: 34Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, 35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.

Does it say everyone getting in line with a certain righteousness is welcome?

To be teaching Christmas has nothing to do with Christ is the same as saying in every nation the person who fears God and doesn't do what it wrong is welcome.

 

[Desert Snake]

Ephesians 2:14
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,

Does it say he made the two groups the same?

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

All one or all the same?

Colossians 3:15
Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.

Does it say we are called to agree on what is right?

Whose idea is it to make everyone obedient to the old rules?

Acts 10: 34Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, 35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.

Does it say everyone getting in line with a certain righteousness is welcome?

To be teaching Christmas has nothing to do with Christ is the same as saying in every nation the person who fears God and doesn't do what it wrong is welcome.

Nope.

 

[savagewind]

So a person can celebrate Christmas while being an upright Christian and God might be just fine with it. If that is the case then Christ has something to do with it as two Christians can't gather together in his name and he not be there with them.

 

[JM2C]

Naw, I have learned to not cast pearls before swine.

That’s really interesting that way you say it “I have learned” an aphorism in Matthew chapter 7. It’s about Judging Others. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. -Matt 7:1”

Mt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before the swine, lest haply they trample them under their feet, and turn and rend you.

I’m really surprise that you read the bible too and the good news about it is you’ve learned something from it. You are not far from learning the whole truth if you just keep on reading the bible.

Besides, your dishonesty is disgusting.

My dishonesty from your pov?

 

[Desert Snake]

So a person can celebrate Christmas while being an upright Christian and God might be just fine with it. If that is the case then Christ has something to do with it as two Christians can't gather together in his name and he not be there with them.

Why wouldn'tt it be ok to celebrate xmas. 'Christ mass, the birth of Jesus. Really, if there is a problem there, I don't think it is backed by scripture at all.

 

[`mud]

The magic is in the phrase: "person who fears God."
That's the problem, first fear and then love?
I think it's backwards, or lose the fear altogether.
~
'mud

 

[savagewind]

Why wouldn'tt it be ok to celebrate xmas. 'Christ mass, the birth of Jesus. Really, if there is a problem there, I don't think it is backed by scripture at all.

The thread is about it is pagan, every last bit of it (as the voting shows). Pagan means not according to the law of God.

 

[JM2C]

So are you saying that the Watchtower teaches that some of the anointed are unfaithful followers of Jesus Christ?


I agree that God cannot lie, but I think it is the Watchtower that is lying. The Lord God has made it very clear in His word, specifically listing, who the 144.000 are...


And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;

8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed. Revelation 7:4-8

They thought they, the JW, were the 144,000 in Revelation 7 and not the literal Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel.

 

[Desert Snake]

The thread is about it is pagan, every last bit of it (as the voting shows). Pagan means not according to the law of God.

It isn't pagan. That's why we have nativity scenes, and it's called Christmas, etc.

 

[savagewind]

The magic is in the phrase: "person who fears God."
That's the problem, first fear and then love?
I think it's backwards, or lose the fear altogether.
~
'mud

It is not about the kind of fear that is for one's life. Look at is used here: Herod wanted to kill John, but he was afraid of the people, because they considered John a prophet.

I think it means the kind of fear that considers the outcome.

 

[JM2C]

Do you think god has some sort of monopoly on the words?

A copy write perhaps?

Now, speaking of copyright and not “COPY WRITE”, if you know what I mean, who should know better?

 

[savagewind]

It isn't pagan. That's why we have nativity scenes, and it's called Christmas, etc.

Haha. Have you read the thread? 58 percent say Christman has nothing to do with Christ.

 

[JM2C]

Why wouldn'tt it be ok to celebrate xmas. 'Christ mass, the birth of Jesus. Really, if there is a problem there, I don't think it is backed by scripture at all.

They just made it up as they move along. Tomorrow they going to say “you can’t celebrate any celebration”

 

[JM2C]

So a person can celebrate Christmas while being an upright Christian and God might be just fine with it.

Yes. Can you define the word "Celebrate"

If that is the case then Christ has something to do with it as two Christians can't gather together in his name and he not be there with them.

"two Christians" with different doctrines? So, how do we know which one is the "true Christian"?

 

[savagewind]

Yes. Can you define the word "Celebrate"

Recognize. Go to. Participate.

"two Christians" with different doctrines? So, how do we know which one is the "true Christian"?

I think a person who "has a doctrine" ignores the command of God "do not lean on your own understanding but in all your ways take notice of יְ֭הוָה "* But ignorance or knowledge is not what makes a person Christian or not imo. I am sure love is what makes a person Christian or not Christian.

A person with a doctrine leans on it. Doesn't she?

*Proverbs 3:5

 

[McBell]

That’s really interesting that way you say it “I have learned” an aphorism in Matthew chapter 7. It’s about Judging Others. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. -Matt 7:1”

Your misuse of thie above scripture...
Is it dishonesty or merely ignorance?

Based on your claims of Biblical superiority one would think it cannot be ignorance, right?

I’m really surprise that you read the bible too and the good news about it is you’ve learned something from it. You are not far from learning the whole truth if you just keep on reading the bible.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps I have learned the truth and have found it lacking?
Or is your "position" that one cannot turn from the truth once it is learned?

My dishonesty from your pov?

Your dishonesty as displayed by your very own posts.

 

[McBell]

Now, speaking of copyright and not “COPY WRITE”, if you know what I mean, who should know better?

Your blatant avoidance is duly noted.

Thank you for further demonstrating your dishonesty.

Interesting that you would jump on an autocorrect fail instead of the meat of the post.