Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[`mud]

Two letters to the Thessalonians, and epistles from: Peter, and John.
Messages about their intrepatations of their God's meaning.
No words from their God there, just words, laws made by men, not any gods.
No women were involved in the writing of these 'laws'.
And in my opinion, no gods either.
How much of these letters by Paul to the Thessalonians was written by Silas,
and quite possibly Timothy ?
Paul asks for a life of love in the community. He concludes by appealing to them for prayer, proclaims faithfulness of the God in whom they placed their hope, and asks them to greet all with the warm greeting of a holy kiss.
Paul was possessed by the anticipated arrival of Jesus reborn, we're still waiting for that to happen.
Nothing from Paul inspires any educated person, he was a total fool, but......
Anyway....the scriptures are full of words, as I said, by men, not gods.
way too much stuff here,
~
'mud

 

[savagewind]

1 Timothy 3:16
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

According to the Jehovah's Witnesses Jesus experienced a first and a second being taken up in glory.

The first time was written about and the second one is presumed by some people who say it happened in 1914.

 

[Shak34]

I know a woman who had family in the organization and who was disfellowshipped for disagreeing with the governing body belief that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. She doesn't believe it (neither do I!) so she can't repent of it.

It is sad when someone loses their family like that. It is also sad that a person can be unbaptized and treated the same way. All it takes is a marking talk and an unbaptized person might as well have disfellowedshipped. It is very heart breaking and hurtful when a person you have known your entire life walks away from you like you don't existed after one of these talks.

 

[MikeSavage]

Seeing that a person's life depends on believing in Jesus' ascension in 1914 you should be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt Jerusalem fell in 607. Can you do that?

I don't need to . The scriptures do it. Study the subject in the scriptures and as I said previously, you will see it. And what do you mean read the Bible the way the governing body tells me to? They don't tell me anything. I don't know them. I've only met a couple of them and we don't know eachother. Is there any way other than one to read words in print? You know something I don't know? I use my eyes. I read the words. I look for cross references. What other way exists? Your failing to believe what you read is your failing, not any one elses. Not the governing body, elders, or congregation's fault. Yours. When Jehovah searches our hearts constantly, He finds an honest heart, or He doesn't. If He doesn't, then the veil Satan puts over the scriptures remains, and no correct understanding takes place. If He sees an honest heart, He uses holy spirit to help you to understand. It's pretty simple. You have a predisposition to being suspicious. No one's fault but your own. God's arrangements for elders and a governing body made up of annointed ones who are elders was made out of love for us. You reject God's arrangement. You therefore reject God as well. I can't understand why anyone would EVER do such a suicidal thing, but to each their own.

 

[savagewind]

. You reject God's arrangement. You therefore reject God as well. I can't understand why anyone would EVER do such a suicidal thing, but to each their own.

Maybe because I will always put the words of Jesus above anyone elses.
Luke 9 23 Then he went on to say to all: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself+ and pick up his torture stake* day after day and keep following me.+24 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake is the one who will save it.+25 Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own self or suffers ruin?+26 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and of my words, the Son of man will be ashamed of that person when he comes in his glory and that of the Father and of the holy angels.+27 But I tell you truly, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God.”+

 

[MikeSavage]

Maybe because I will always put the words of Jesus above anyone elses.
Luke 9 23 Then he went on to say to all: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself+ and pick up his torture stake* day after day and keep following me.+24 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake is the one who will save it.+25 Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own self or suffers ruin?+26 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and of my words, the Son of man will be ashamed of that person when he comes in his glory and that of the Father and of the holy angels.+27 But I tell you truly, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God.”+

Not the words of his father? All of the words of Jesus come from his Father.

 

[savagewind]

Not the words of his father? All of the words of Jesus come from his Father.

OK. You want to believe the governing body to save your soul. Jehovah through Jesus says it is not about that.

 

[MikeSavage]

OK. You want to believe the governing body to save your soul. Jehovah through Jesus says it is not about that.

You are once again putting words into my posts that I didn't put there. Why? Jehovah, through Jesus, said no such thing. He didn't say anything about it either way. So you put words into my posts that I didn't, and you put words into God's inspired word that He didn't put there. Why?

 

[MikeSavage]

OK. You want to believe the governing body to save your soul. Jehovah through Jesus says it is not about that.

You don't answer any of my questions. Why? I asked why you read what you want into what I post. I asked why you read into the scriptures what you want. You never answered me.

 

[savagewind]

You are once again putting words into my posts that I didn't put there. Why? Jehovah, through Jesus, said no such thing. He didn't say anything about it either way. So you put words into my posts that I didn't, and you put words into God's inspired word that He didn't put there. Why?

Are you kidding?

Maybe because I will always put the words of Jesus above anyone elses.

Luke 9 23 Then he went on to say to all: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself+ and pick up his torture stake* day after day and keep following me.+24 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake is the one who will save it.+25 Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own self or suffers ruin?+26 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and of my words, the Son of man will be ashamed of that person when he comes in his glory and that of the Father and of the holy angels.+27 But I tell you truly, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God.”+

 

[savagewind]

You don't answer any of my questions. Why? I asked why you read what you want into what I post. I asked why you read into the scriptures what you want. You never answered me.

What does "whoever wants to save his soul will lose it" mean please?

 

[MikeSavage]

Are you kidding?

Why would I kid about that? No, I am not kidding. You are reading one thing, and seeing something that's not there. I would like to know why?

 

[savagewind]

Why would I kid about that? No, I am not kidding. You are reading one thing, and seeing something that's not there. I would like to know why?

What does it mean?

"Whoever wants to save his soul will lose it" .

 

[MikeSavage]

What does it mean?

"Whoever wants to save his soul will lose it" .

Why do you not answer my questions, and yet expect an answer to yours?

 

[savagewind]

I can't understand why anyone would EVER do such a suicidal thing, but to each their own.

Those are YOUR words. What is the suicidal thing? I understand you mean the suicudal thing is not listening to God's Word via the governing body.

I listen to God's Word. Did you know Jesus is God's Word?

 

[savagewind]

Why do you not answer my questions, and yet expect an answer to yours?

Your question is why do I read scripture differently than the governing body do. I don't know.

 

[MikeSavage]

I can't understand why anyone would EVER do such a suicidal thing, but to each their own.

Those are YOUR words. What is the suicidal thing? I understand you mean the suicudal thing is not listening to God's Word via the governing body.

I listen to God's Word. Did you know Jesus is God's Word?

No. I mean not doing God's will. AGAIN you are reading things into my posts that are not there.

 

[savagewind]

No. I mean not doing God's will. AGAIN you are reading things into my posts that are not there.

You are trolling. You are not as stupid as you seem. HOW does a person know God's will? What is the only way?

 

[MikeSavage]

You are trolling. You are not as stupid as you seem. HOW does a person know God's will? What is the only way?

It's all in the inspired word of God.

 

[savagewind]

You did flunk math. Am I right? You know? EQUALS