does god exist

[Runewolf1973]

One thing. Just explain to me ONE thing that isn't a form of energy in one way or another. Do this and I thnk you'll even make "God, if he were to exist as a being" raise an eyebrow.

 

[doppelganger]

One thing. Just explain to me ONE thing that isn't a form of energy in one way or another. Do this and I thnk you'll even make "God, if he were to exist as a being" raise an eyebrow.

First things first. What is "energy"?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Just explain to me ONE thing that isn't a form of energy in one way or another. Do this and I thnk you'll even make "God, if he were to exist as a being" raise an eyebrow.

I'm sure you think that clever, but you've managed to weave a bit of fluff around two words - energy and God - of which you have no credible definition or understanding.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

First things first. What is "energy"?

Precisely.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Motion, heat, light, thought, breath, understanding, knowledge, chemical reactions, spirit, love, death, life....the list goes on. Energy is what makes things happen. You should know it, you're body IS one of those chemical reactions, as are the thoughts you are thinking just now. I can feel the vibes already. Don't you?

 

[doppelganger]

Motion, heat, light, thought, breath, understanding, knowledge, chemical reactions, spirit, love, death, life....the list goes on. Energy is what makes things happen. You should know it, you're body IS one of those chemical reactions, as are the thoughts you are thinking just now. I can feel the vibes already. Don't you?

What do the things on that list have in common that make them "energy"?

 

[Runewolf1973]

They EXIST. Oh yeah, I forgot one....fluff.

 

[doppelganger]

They EXIST. Oh yeah, I forgot one....fluff.

Okay, so you define "energy" as "anything that has existence" and your challenge is to "explain to me ONE thing that isn't a form of energy in one way or another".

Like you I always speak in tautologies. Except, of course, when I don't.

 

[rojse]

Motion, heat, light, thought, breath, understanding, knowledge, chemical reactions, spirit, love, death, life....the list goes on. Energy is what makes things happen. You should know it, you're body IS one of those chemical reactions, as are the thoughts you are thinking just now. I can feel the vibes already. Don't you?

If you want God to exist, just redefine what God means.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

If you want God to exist, just redefine what God means.

People have been doing it for thousands of years. It's called "evolution." Why stop now?

 

[Nade]

Fact: There is no omniscient and omnipotent god. The two inherent qualities can not exist in one. Therefore, the christion god, as defined to be omniscient and omnipotent, DOES NOT EXIST. Period. Fact. End of Discussion.

Question: Can there be an omnipotent god?
Omnipotent = All powerful.
All powerful = all controlling.
In order to control everything, said god would have to KNOW of everything. Omnipotence therefore requires omniscience, which denies god's ability to affect himself or do things he can not do. Therefore, there an Omnipotent God DOES NOT EXIST. Period. End of discussion. Fact.

Question: Can an omniscient god exist:
Omniscient = knowledge of all that can be known.
knowledge = recognition of an object, concept, or ideal according to a pre-defined object in one's mind. In order to assess the universe into god's "mind", it would have to interact with the entire universe, in order to get an image so that it can "know" the entire universe. It is apparent that god could not interact with the entire universe unless he was everywhere in the universe. A god that is equally distributed amongst all constituents of a universe CAN NOT show any part of the universe more attention than any other part. If it did, it would not be everywhere, and thus would not know everything, thus not being omniscient.

So, an omniscent god is possible. It would equivalent to the entire universe, indistinguishable, even. However, in that case, there is no need to call it a "god" when you could call it a "universe". But if your god is not equivalent to the universe, then it IS NOT OMNISCENT. period. End of story. DEAD WEIGHT.

Therefore, there IS NO Ominscient god. There IS NO omnipotent god. period. proven. non-negotiable.

Question: can there be an omnibenevolent god? Yes. It would love pedophiles and murderers, sickness and decay, as well as children and good people. Both. It would treat EVERYTHING. Sinner and Saint, to the very same end. If it was to be omnibenevolent.

I do not want any more discussion of a god with these properties. The CAse is CLOSED. If you find an error in my argument, say it, and I'll try to correct it. BUT THE CASE IS CLOSED. PERIOD. If your god is not defined with any of these qualities, however, you may continue, if you like. I have nothing against you.

 

[UnTheist]

flame bait flame bait flame bait flame bait

 

[Storm]

Yeppers.

 

[Nade]

I'd rather have someone point out where I am wrong than be called a prick, jerk, or whatever. To each his own.

 

[Storm]

I'd rather have someone point out where I am wrong than be called a prick, jerk, or whatever. To each his own.

OK.

For starters...

Fact: There is no omniscient and omnipotent god. The two inherent qualities can not exist in one. Therefore, the christion god, as defined to be omniscient and omnipotent, DOES NOT EXIST.

Assertion is not proof.

Period. Fact. End of Discussion.

BS.

 

[Sunstone]

I do not want any more discussion of a god with these properties. The CAse is CLOSED. If you find an error in my argument, say it, and I'll try to correct it. BUT THE CASE IS CLOSED. PERIOD. If your god is not defined with any of these qualities, however, you may continue, if you like. I have nothing against you.

You don't make the rules here. You don't tell people what they can and can't say. And if you can't deal with that fact, go start your own forum. Now.

 

[Ben Masada]

Dear God, if You cease to exist, I'll be done. You are for me like the warter is for the fish.
Like the air if for the lungs, and the skies are for the birds. If You cease to exist, Philosophers
will cease to think. Then, the celestial bodies will go berserk coliding with each other. And
everything will be back to chaos.

Ben

 

[UnTheist]

How do you know?

 

[rojse]

People have been doing it for thousands of years. It's called "evolution." Why stop now?

If you keep on redefining a word, it loses it's meaning. If you want to call energy "God", why not just call energy "energy"? What is gained by calling energy God?

From the way that RuneWolf1973's uses it, the only thing that is gained is that there can be no doubt that God exists, but in exchange, you get the God of coal, petroleum and solar power to worship.

Using the proper definition for a word means that when we are communicating, the audience can actually understand what the communicator is actually saying.

 

[rojse]

Dear God, if You cease to exist, I'll be done. You are for me like the warter is for the fish. Like the air if for the lungs, and the skies are for the birds. If You cease to exist, Philosophers will cease to think. Then, the celestial bodies will go berserk coliding with each other. And everything will be back to chaos. Ben

What, God designed the universe so poorly that he has to manage every minute particle, or otherwise, it would go haywire?

*also a crying atheist baby, but has never reported Ben Masada's posts either.*