kai
ragamuffin
its easy? religion is a panacea , a answer for everything , its easier than trying to work it out for yourself. God did it! its worked for centuries,
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does god exist
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Ben Masada
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Evidences that point to the watch are evidences of the watch maker.
Aristotle declared that nothing comes out of nothing.
Therefore, the first cause of things must have been God.
Ben
Only once you establish that the thing in question has the properties of a watch, namely intentional design. Otherwise, you're begging the question.
But if God came from nothing, wouldn't He be nothing?
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
Sorry, Penguin, but after being reported three times by crying Atheist babies who
can't stand the heat, I have chosen perhaps for some time not to respond to their
coments.
Ben :sorry1:
Oh my!
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I would love to tell you why you are not surprised but you might report me again. And I can't afford being reported for the fourth time. I have been reported for three times already and every time by crying Atheist babies who insist on staying in the kitchen without being able to stand the heat.
Ben
First, I haven't reported you at all.
Second, when you call them "crying atheist babies", it doesn't help the perception of you as the victim. It only makes it sound that much more reasonable to report you, especially since this is the second time now that you've made this same ridiculous comment.
Third, as I pointed out before and Storm just did, is it that hard to post within the rules so that you get your point across and don't get reported? I've been doing it for almost 8 months now.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
OK, now all you have to do is establish that the universe is a watch...or that it needs to have a creator, at the very least.
Even if he did, why is his opinion so important to you? He didn't even believe in God.
Therefore, the first cause of things must have been God.
Ben
So, something came out of nothing, you just call it God, huh? I say the universe came out of nothing. Maybe you can now explain why God could come from nothing, but the universe couldn't.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
And you are arguably right here, but I'm not going to make either one of those arguments.
Why do you say that? I thought that you do not want God, why should God give you faith if you dont want it? Shoving it down your throat would be mean, wont it?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Odd, in that you addressed a post specifically to me.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Evidences that point to the watch are evidences of the watch maker.
Aristotle declared that nothing comes out of nothing.
Therefore, the first cause of things must have been God.
Ben
First you have to establish that there was some point IN TIME in which the universe did not exist.
Did you notice that you assumed that the universe has the relevant property of a watch--that of being created? That's called circular argument. It may be either that the universe has always existed, that there is no point in time in which it does not exist, or that it does not resemble a watch in this respect, but is more analogous to a rock or even a kitten.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Because it couldn't possibly be that you did anything that merited their reports, right? Rather it's just because atheists are a bunch of babies? May I suggest that you examine your posts to see whether there is something that tends to generate reports and modify that style of posting? That would enable you to actually participate in the discussion, rather than just jabbing and running.
*is a crying atheist baby, apparently, although has never reported Ben Masada's posts.*
It is up to you, but without faith you cannot understand spiritual truth, there must be a reason for the existence of reprobates, since some are keep in that state till the end, there must be also reasons for that, and God is not the saviour of all but of those that believe.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Well, it probably beats burning in eternal torment.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Of course it's up to me, and I think I'll stick with my general practice of only believing in things supported by evidence. I believe the correct term for believing things not supported by evidence is mentally ill, and I don't want to go there. How do you pick what to have faith in in the first place? Where you by any chance raised as a Christian?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
I would like to talk to the OP, but she seems to have disappeared again. Melaneeeee, are you there?
As mean as feeding a fussy baby.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Well, if I need that faith to be saved, I'd think it would be good if he gave it to me no matter how he had to do it.
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
The OP states:
The responses come down to two ways of looking at it:
The responses come down to two ways of looking at it:
- Fish saying, "Look and see."
- Fish saying, "Water does not exist because it is not seen."