Does pornography have a legitimate place in society?

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If you don't approve, then don't watch it. It's pretty much that simple.

I'd make a healthy distinction between freedom of speech and freedom of trade when referring to pornography. in my view, it's not really my business what people film themselves doing, or who they show it to (children, perhaps, being an exception, but that's a whole other conversation).

I don't, however, think that anybody should be able to get anybody to do anything for the right amount of money, because there are certain things that people can find themselves trapped in, with no other way to make a living. It's unfortunate in any case, but when it's something as sensitive and exposed as pornography, I think it can actually ruin people's lives (as far as they're concerned).

I'm not convinced that any amount of money is compensation for that, and the fact that most, if not all of us, live in a society where it can be considered as such is a sad one, if you ask me.

 

[ninerbuff]

Pornography is an industry that exists upon the principles of rampant sexism, chauvinism and exploitation. Do we honestly think it is right for an 18-year-old to take place in sex acts for money? I should hope not, but it seems to be the dominant view that there is nothing wrong with a porn producer approach an 18-year-old fresh out of college, telling him/her that he/she can make a lot of money by having sex with other people while they are filmed.

Character will dictate whatever a person decides to do for money. There are many 18 year olds that won't do porn regardless of how much you give to them.

 

[blackout]

Why are 18 year olds not legal to drink?
or even smoke cigarettes?

 

[ninerbuff]

Why are 18 year olds not legal to drink?
or even smoke cigarettes?

18 is legal to purchase and smoke in US. Drinking is 21. IMO, there are people over 21 that flat out shouldn't drink because of irresponsibility.

 

[blackout]

18 is legal to purchase and smoke in US. Drinking is 21. IMO, there are people over 21 that flat out shouldn't drink because of irresponsibility.

I'm pretty sure it's 19 in my state.

I could be wrong.

 

[Koldo]

People can drive and drink by 18 years old in my country.
And they can vote by 16.

 

[Vendetta]

Darkness I think the problem you have with pornography is that you don't watch it lol just kidding. More importantly In my thread on degradation of women in porn, it has come to my attention that pornography empowers women. Women are not only more paid than men but are glamorized, can start their own business and can make name brands for themselves. Again sex is educational and many couples in the states learn sex through pornography. Its everywhere. If you want to get rid of porn then you must disregard movies that show sex scenes a most famous one is Monsters Ball with that fine babe Hallie Berry getting sexed up by that grizzly looking fool. That movie had definite pornographic imagery.

 

[Skwim]

No, because there is a great difference between forms of pornography that show naked women in sexy poses and such that show women enchained and tortured.
The first is harmless and when the photographer does his job right, even a piece of art can be the result.
The second is sadistic and degrading. Same goes for pedophilic pornography.

The second, showing women enchained and tortured, is almost always posed---no actual torture takes place.

 

[Darkness]

Character will dictate whatever a person decides to do for money. There are many 18 year olds that won't do porn regardless of how much you give to them.

Likewise, there are many 18-year-old's that won't voluntary sell themselves into slavery to pay off a debt, so let us legalise voluntary slavery.

Darkness I think the problem you have with pornography is that you don't watch it lol just kidding. More importantly In my thread on degradation of women in porn, it has come to my attention that pornography empowers women. Women are not only more paid than men but are glamorized, can start their own business and can make name brands for themselves.

This is precisely why the liberal tradition is morally and rationally bankrupt. It equates success with glamorisation, even if it is objectification, so long as there are monetary rewards. There is as episode of Sponge Bob which makes the point clearly. Patrick Star is paid by Mr. Crabs to fall down from greater and greater heights, because it attracts a crowd of adoring fans, who get much needed amusement out of his antics. According to you, Patrick would be empowered by this act. And if he ventured on his own and started his own business, getting others to do the same, he would be more empowered. Of course that is absurd, but the rules of the game are changed when it comes to porn, just like religious fundamentalists always change the rules when it comes to God and murder/genocide.

Again sex is educational and many couples in the states learn sex through pornography.

Probably one of the reasons 9 out of 10 men are chauvinistic ********.

Its everywhere. If you want to get rid of porn then you must disregard movies that show sex scenes a most famous one is Monsters Ball with that fine babe Hallie Berry getting sexed up by that grizzly looking fool. That movie had definite pornographic imagery.

As far as I am aware, the sex scene in Monster's Ball was simulated.

 

[Skwim]

Likewise, there are many 18-year-old's that won't voluntary sell themselves into slavery to pay off a debt, so let us legalise voluntary slavery.

I just love inadvertent oxymorons.

 

[linwood]

Porn is legit.....that is how I learned to have sex believe it or not that is how most people learn to have sex

But...most of the porn stars I`ve seen in action don`t know how to have sex.
Seriously who has sex like in the standard porn scene?

Porn is just as legitimate as any other form of expression.

 

[Darkness]

I just love inadvertent oxymorons.

Voluntary slavery was a real phenomenon. An oxymoron is not necessarily wrong.

Porn is just as legitimate as any other form of expression.

Institutional pornography is not a form of expression. It is a mechanism for the procurement of profit.

 

[tumbleweed41]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_slaveryInstitutional pornography is not a form of expression. It is a mechanism for the procurement of profit.

As is a lot of "Art".

 

[Skwim]

Voluntary slavery was a real phenomenon. An oxymoron is not necessarily wrong.

Oxymorons are always wrong, and while the phenomenon may be real, the label is bogus. From the same source, (wikipedia)

"Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property and are forced to work.[1] Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. In some historical situations it has been legal for owners to kill slaves.[2]
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And no dictionary entry on slavery even hints that it may be voluntary:

slav·er·y (slv-r, slvr)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
2.
a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
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1slave
noun \ˈslāv\
Definition of SLAVE
1
: a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
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slave
   /sleɪv/ Show Spelled [sleyv] Show IPA noun, verb, slaved, slav·ing.
–noun
1.
a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
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slave (slāv)
noun
1. a human being who is owned as property by, and is absolutely subject to the will of, another; bondservant divested of all freedom and personal rights
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SLAVE. A man who is by law deprived of his liberty for life, and becomes the property of another. 2. A slave has no political rights, and generally has no civil rights. He can enter into no contract unless specially authorized by law; what he acquires generally, belongs to his master. The children of female slaves follow the condition of their mothers, and are themselves slaves.
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slave [ slayv ]

noun (plural slaves)
Definition:

1. somebody forced to work for another: somebody who is forced to work for somebody else for no payment and is regarded as the property of that person
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slave1 [See pronunciation table in "How to use dictionary" pages] [countable]
1SS someone who is owned by another person and works for them for no money
the slave trade (=the buying and selling of slaves, especially Africans who were taken to America)
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Main Entry: 1slave
Pronunciation: primarystressslamacrv
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sclave "slave," from early French esclave (same meaning), derived from Latin Sclavus "Slav"
1 : a person who is owned by another person and can be sold at the owner's will

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Then there's its etymology

Word History: In the Middle Ages, Germanic people fought and raided other peoples, especially the Slavic peoples to the east. They took a great many captives there and sold them as slaves throughout Europe. The Slavic people were so common as slaves that writers of the time used the Latin word for "Slav," Sclavus, to mean "a personal slave." The Latin word became sclave in Middle English and then slave in Modern English.
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[ninerbuff]

If you want to get rid of porn then you must disregard movies that show sex scenes a most famous one is Monsters Ball with that fine babe Hallie Berry getting sexed up by that grizzly looking fool. That movie had definite pornographic imagery.

Lol, Monster Ball is great, but SPARTACUS Blood and Sand, and Gods of the Arena are way better!!! What was great was the gladiator slaves were treated no differently sexually than the female slaves.

 

[ninerbuff]

Likewise, there are many 18-year-old's that won't voluntary sell themselves into slavery to pay off a debt, so let us legalise voluntary slavery.

Haha! It already exists. Look for undocumented servants in the US.

 

[ninerbuff]

But...most of the porn stars I`ve seen in action don`t know how to have sex.
Seriously who has sex like in the standard porn scene?

Porn is just as legitimate as any other form of expression.

You must be watching the Homeamatuers.com site then!!!

 

[Darkness]

As is a lot of "Art".

Yeah, people become artists because of all the money involved.

Oxymorons are always wrong, and while the phenomenon may be real, the label is bogus. From the same source, (wikipedia)

"Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property and are forced to work.[1] Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. In some historical situations it has been legal for owners to kill slaves.[2]
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*sigh* Are we really going to play this semantic game?

The concept of indentured servitude is that you are not a free man/woman once you make the deal; therefore you are now a save when the agreement is made.

Not playing this word game any more, since it is just a red herring.

 

[Vendetta]

But...most of the porn stars I`ve seen in action don`t know how to have sex.
Seriously who has sex like in the standard porn scene?

Porn is just as legitimate as any other form of expression.

You watching the wrong material son! I will loan you my collection if you like lol

 

[Skwim]

Yeah, people become artists because of all the money involved.



*sigh* Are we really going to play this semantic game?

The concept of indentured servitude is that you are not a free man/woman once you make the deal; therefore you are now a save when the agreement is made.

Not playing this word game any more, since it is just a red herring.

Yet you continued by trying to trump the fact that slavery is not a voluntary condition, by change terms mid stream, pretending that "slavery" is "indentured servitude," Nice try, but red just isn't green, and never will be.

And FYI,

"An indentured servant was typically a young, unskilled laborer contracted to work for an employer for a fixed period of time, typically three to seven years, in exchange for transportation, food, clothing, lodging and other necessities during the term of their indenture.[1] They included men and women; most were under age 21, and most became helpers on farms or house servants."
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