Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions

[YoursTrue]

When you call someone a liar, you are accusing them of knowingly misrepresenting the truth. You have absolutely NO foundation by which to claim that he is lying. Now if you want to say that he is wrong and mistaken and incorrect, that's fine. But not that he is a liar.

btw, are you Jehovah's Witness?

For the record, because I don't think you're reading my posts, Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is Jehovah or that God is a Trinity.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible does speak of Satan as a god. It is really a manner of speaking.

That is not a certainty, even though many would say it is. You might want to read more about it and the controversy. Herod's Death Key to Jesus' Birth Year | Patterns of Evidence

No, it still fails no matter what. Even if Herod did not die in 4 BCE, I have seen dates as late as 1 BCE by an apologist and that was the furthest that he could push it we still know when the Census of Quirinius was and why it was held. Herod's son Archelaus took over the running of the major part of Judea, which was probably why it retained that name, did begin in 4 BCE. Romans record events like this. Maybe Herod was not dead. That would still mean that he was no longer king. By the time nine years had gone by Archelaus was such a failure as a ruler that rioting had begun and the Roman Empire felt that they had to step in and they did deposing him. Taking over the country as part of the Roman Empire. Which meant that they would have to pay Roman taxes. That was the reason for the Census. Quirinius, who had recently taken over Syria, organized a census. Something that could not be done in Judea/Israel under a Jewish ruler since it went against Jewish law. The Roman's did not give a rat's behind about Jewish law. But the census did cause a revolt. Again, Roman's record these things. Very traditional Jews opposed it. The leader of the revolt was Judas. No, no, no, not that Judas, like John and even Jesus that was a common name back then. Judas of Galilee, not Iscariot, began a revolt in 6 CE and that was even mentioned in Acts. And Josephus blames that as the start of the war that ultimately resulted in the destruction of the temple 60 years later. The dude even has his own Wikipedia page:

Judas of Galilee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You will hear a bunch of lame attempts by apologists, not historians who say "Well maybe . . . " but they are all rather weak and no one pays them any serious attention. You know what would help them? Historical evidence, yet the apologists cannot seem to find any. This is another example of why one should not take certain parts of the Bible literally.

The story starts out well enough. It does not go into why Judea had to be taxed. As a client state under Herod their populace would not be taxed. The client states were somewhat subservient to Rome, but their first job was to act as a buffer if an enemy wanted to attack Rome. The idea was that they would have to go through various client states first and that would weaken them Anyway back to the census. Then there is a cock and bull story about how they had to go to their ancestral homes. If you knew anything about a census at all you would see how that was ridiculous. Not only that Nazareth was not in Judea. It was under another of the sons of Herod at that time and Rome had not taken it over. They were not technically citizens of Judea any longer so there would have been no reason to go to a Judean census. Second people do not travel to ancestral homes for censuses that were designed for taxation purposes. No one cares where you came from. They care about where a person lives, and more important earns money. There is no valid reason for Joseph to go to Bethlehem to get counted. At that point the myth has already failed beyond repair.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As I've been reviewing the so-called Ten Commandments, I see they are based on love for one's neighbor and therefore one's self as well. Despite the fact that you keep telling me I'm breaking the ninth commandment, but that's ok. There's a lot there in those commandments. And it's interesting because whether you believe it or not, the penalty for Adam and Eve was because of their decision to decide for themselves right from wrong. They didn't want God telling them which way to go.

No you got everything wrong again. You forgot your Adam and Eve myth. How could you do that? Go back and reread it. Do not trust me. They did not want to have their own way. They did not know any better, like little children. The tree that they ate from was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before they ate from it they could not have known right from wrong. And the myth confirms that. You will see that right after they ate from the magic tree they knew that they screwed the pooch. They suddenly knew what a sin was.

Oh, and they were going to die before the fall. You once again need to read the myth. They were not only innocent, they were dumb as rocks and did not know that the tree of life would keep them alive forever and God was worried that if they ate from that they would live forever and become like gods themselves.

It is just a silly fairy tale if you read it with your eyes open.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I don't understand what your problem is with God ordering His Children to kill the pagans.

I’m not a homicidal maniac.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, it still fails no matter what. Even if Herod did not die in 4 BCE, I have seen dates as late as 1 BCE by an apologist and that was the furthest that he could push it we still know when the Census of Quirinius was and why it was held. Herod's son Archelaus took over the running of the major part of Judea, which was probably why it retained that name, did begin in 4 BCE. Romans record events like this. Maybe Herod was not dead. That would still mean that he was no longer king. By the time nine years had gone by Archelaus was such a failure as a ruler that rioting had begun and the Roman Empire felt that they had to step in and they did deposing him. Taking over the country as part of the Roman Empire. Which meant that they would have to pay Roman taxes. That was the reason for the Census. Quirinius, who had recently taken over Syria, organized a census. Something that could not be done in Judea/Israel under a Jewish ruler since it went against Jewish law. The Roman's did not give a rat's behind about Jewish law. But the census did cause a revolt. Again, Roman's record these things. Very traditional Jews opposed it. The leader of the revolt was Judas. No, no, no, not that Judas, like John and even Jesus that was a common name back then. Judas of Galilee, not Iscariot, began a revolt in 6 CE and that was even mentioned in Acts. And Josephus blames that as the start of the war that ultimately resulted in the destruction of the temple 60 years later. The dude even has his own Wikipedia page:

Judas of Galilee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You will hear a bunch of lame attempts by apologists, not historians who say "Well maybe . . . " but they are all rather weak and no one pays them any serious attention. You know what would help them? Historical evidence, yet the apologists cannot seem to find any. This is another example of why one should not take certain parts of the Bible literally.

The story starts out well enough. It does not go into why Judea had to be taxed. As a client state under Herod their populace would not be taxed. The client states were somewhat subservient to Rome, but their first job was to act as a buffer if an enemy wanted to attack Rome. The idea was that they would have to go through various client states first and that would weaken them Anyway back to the census. Then there is a cock and bull story about how they had to go to their ancestral homes. If you knew anything about a census at all you would see how that was ridiculous. Not only that Nazareth was not in Judea. It was under another of the sons of Herod at that time and Rome had not taken it over. They were not technically citizens of Judea any longer so there would have been no reason to go to a Judean census. Second people do not travel to ancestral homes for censuses that were designed for taxation purposes. No one cares where you came from. They care about where a person lives, and more important earns money. There is no valid reason for Joseph to go to Bethlehem to get counted. At that point the myth has already failed beyond repair.

The point is that the jury is at odds about Herod's death. Maybe another time I'll get into details but I doubt that will sway you more toward the idea that Jesus was likely born in 2 BCE. And anyway, why not discuss December 25th? I mean perhaps it seems reasonable to you that there are people who believe in evolution and claim the Bible is mythical and then celebrate Christmas, not just as a non-religious person, but at their respective houses of worship? (P.S. I do not know everything...despite the impression I may give.)

 

[YoursTrue]

No you got everything wrong again. You forgot your Adam and Eve myth. How could you do that? Go back and reread it. Do not trust me. They did not want to have their own way. They did not know any better, like little children. The tree that they ate from was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before they ate from it they could not have known right from wrong. And the myth confirms that. You will see that right after they ate from the magic tree they knew that they screwed the pooch. They suddenly knew what a sin was.

Oh, and they were going to die before the fall. You once again need to read the myth. They were not only innocent, they were dumb as rocks and did not know that the tree of life would keep them alive forever and God was worried that if they ate from that they would live forever and become like gods themselves.

It is just a silly fairy tale if you read it with your eyes open.

Of course Eve wanted her own way. Why don't you review that part of the Bible again -- it's not that long.

 

[YoursTrue]

No you got everything wrong again. You forgot your Adam and Eve myth. How could you do that? Go back and reread it. Do not trust me. They did not want to have their own way. They did not know any better, like little children. The tree that they ate from was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before they ate from it they could not have known right from wrong. And the myth confirms that. You will see that right after they ate from the magic tree they knew that they screwed the pooch. They suddenly knew what a sin was.

Oh, and they were going to die before the fall. You once again need to read the myth. They were not only innocent, they were dumb as rocks and did not know that the tree of life would keep them alive forever and God was worried that if they ate from that they would live forever and become like gods themselves.

It is just a silly fairy tale if you read it with your eyes open.

Let me put it to you this way. My life has become far better when I applied to the greatest extent possible the Ten Commandments in my life. I am not perfect. Some have argued with me about perfection, saying we're all perfect, etc. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT in the moral sense. You can, and that's ok, but I do not and frankly never did, but never understood it until I began to study the Bible.

 

[YoursTrue]

Of course Eve wanted her own way. Why don't you review that part of the Bible again -- it's not that long.

@Subduction Zone Adam went along with her. She was deceived the Bible says. He was not. He knew what he was doing. He obviously decided to die along with her.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The point is that the jury is at odds about Herod's death. Maybe another time I'll get into details but I doubt that will sway you more toward the idea that Jesus was likely born in 2 BCE. And anyway, why not discuss December 25th? I mean perhaps it seems reasonable to you that there are people who believe in evolution and claim the Bible is mythical and then celebrate Christmas, not just as a non-religious person, but at their respective houses of worship? (P.S. I do not know everything...despite the impression I may give.)

No, we are talking history here and Bible loons are not allowed on the jury. There is a vetting process for juries and irrational people are quickly eliminated.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@Subduction Zone Adam went along with her. She was deceived the Bible says. He was not. He knew what he was doing. He obviously decided to die along with her.

No, she was never deceived. Well, she was not lied to by the serpent. She appears to have been lied to by God. Please quote any lies by the serpent to her.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let me put it to you this way. My life has become far better when I applied to the greatest extent possible the Ten Commandments in my life. I am not perfect. Some have argued with me about perfection, saying we're all perfect, etc. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT in the moral sense. You can, and that's ok, but I do not and frankly never did, but never understood it until I began to study the Bible.

That is not reliable evidence. Believers in all of the religions can make the same claim. It does not help you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course Eve wanted her own way. Why don't you review that part of the Bible again -- it's not that long.

I did. It never openly states that or even implies that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I’m not a homicidal maniac.

Well obviously you go to the wrong church then. You have to go to a very literalistic church and believe all of the Bible verses on when to righteously kill people. Wearing a silk scarf with a cotton blouse? Death penalty. A farmer improves production by planting nitrogen depleters with nitrogen enrichers? Death penalty. It is a great game to play.

 

[Spice]

@Subduction Zone Adam went along with her. She was deceived the Bible says. He was not. He knew what he was doing. He obviously decided to die along with her.

They did not know wrong until after they ate. Eve didn't know of consequences when the Serpent offered her "the candy," and Adam didn't know it was wrong when Eve made the offer. They discovered "consequences" when they had to leave Paradise clothed in "skins," aka, taking a physical form, and forevermore learning consequences.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I suspect the Bible version in question is this: The New Testament: Byzantine Text Version : Robert Adam Boyd : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Page 382 has this for 1 John 4:8

Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.​

This version appears to be a slightly different version of the Textus Receptus (or pre-TR, but similar) (The Majority Text and the Original Text: Are They Identical? | Bible.org). Our interlocutor seems to be a variant of the a KJV-onlyist. As best I can tell, the primary subscribers of the Byzantine text are Eastern Orthodox: Byzantine text-type - Wikipedia -- but I'm far from certain on this.

 

[PearlSeeker]

What free will, you mean your free will to serve your master Satan. Because that is the only free will babies are born with. Please study the bible a bit before you embarrass yourself any further

Free moral will - to choose moral good or bad. No, babies are not born with this. It's later development. What is the Bible saying about this? Not much.

Luke 1:80
And the child grew and became strong in spirit

1 Cor 13:11
When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.

 

[Ajax]

And blue-eyed, blonde.

6 feet tall, if I may add..

 

[Ajax]

I'm not sure which translation you got all of that out of but my bible doesn't have any of those errors. We don't accept the Alexandrian translation. we only recognize the Byzantine translation. So there in lies the problem

There is no such thing as Byzantine translation. The Byzantine Empire used a Greek translation of the Bible known as the Septuagint (for the Old Testament) translated between 285–247 BCE, centuries before the Byzantine Empire was established, plus the original Greek texts of the New Testament.
You don't have a clue of what you are talking about, do you?
That's why you never reply to verses others ask you about...

 

[YoursTrue]

They did not know wrong until after they ate. Eve didn't know of consequences when the Serpent offered her "the candy," and Adam didn't know it was wrong when Eve made the offer. They discovered "consequences" when they had to leave Paradise clothed in "skins," aka, taking a physical form, and forevermore learning consequences.

I don't call it candy. It was fruit. The serpent deceived her. I do not doubt that Eve did not realize what she was doing in that sense because she believed the serpent. Adam apparently knew and chose to die along with his beloved wife. He loved her more than his life and God. There is no doubt in my mind that Satan (the serpent) knew what Jehovah had told Adam. "Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’ ” Satan, speaking in the guise of the serpent deluding Eve, knew what God had told Adam, who apparently related it to Eve. (Genesis 3:1)

 

[YoursTrue]

6 feet tall, if I may add..

OK, I'll ask @Charles Philips -- do you think that Jesus was 6 feet tall, with blue eyes and blond hair?