muhammad_isa
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Jesus is reported to have said "For the rich man to enter the kingdom of God, is like the camel passing through the eye of a needle"
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Does theism lead to immoral behaviour?
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Jesus is reported to have said "For the rich man to enter the kingdom of God, is like the camel passing through the eye of a needle"
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
I would have thought it obvious.
You said statistics prove that religious localities lead to worse health outcomes.
I said that you have forgotten that richer localities are not as religious.
Go figure!
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Noooo, I didn't.
Noooo, you didn't. You just said that whoever you responded to was "ignoring other factors entirely" such as "poverty.
So I asked you in what way you believe poverty and religion correlate, and you responded with... a Bible quote.
Now you're saying that "richer localities are not as religious", which is kind of ambiguous. Are you suggesting that the less religious a society is, the richer it tends to be?
Heyo
Veteran Member
There are philosophical principles, axioms which are not based in fact and then there are natural laws based on observation and experiment. So, while it is a belief that the universe is orderly, it is also in evidence by all our observations.
The belief that the universe is magical has no evidence, only wishful thinking.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
It depends on what you mean by the universe and orderly.
The problem is that we can observe wishful thinking, so is that a part of an orderly universe?
Heyo
Veteran Member
It is an additional piece of evidence for an orderly universe. The fact that humans tend to see magic when they are biased towards it (and it always turns out to be not so), allows us to reject claims of magic simply by Occam's Razor, even without investigation.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yes. It simply means, if you study the etymology, one is without gods.
It's pretty simple and straightforward.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Is that a bad suggestion?
I don't think so.
..and don't quote US as a whole nation, please .. because it is strongly divided.
It may be the richest nation, but income varies wildly.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Seems unclear, to be honest. Six of the top ten most religious nations (according to this list: Revealed: The World's Most (And Least) Religious Countries Based On Religious Beliefs 2020 - CEOWORLD magazine) are in the bottom 100 wealthiest nations, but there's not a tremendously strong correlation,
So, a nation isn't a nation if it's divided?..and don't quote US as a whole nation, please .. because it is strongly divided.
Heyo
Veteran Member
And within the US, the most religious states are also the poorest. So, the correlation is there. But is there also causation? And if, are people poor because they are religious - or are they religious because they are poor?..and don't quote US as a whole nation, please .. because it is strongly divided.
It may be the richest nation, but income varies wildly.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Bill is hung over and has a strange unexplainable itching in the nethers.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
It could be both..
In that case, I don't know what magic Bible requires to be true. I don't think any of it goes against the laws of physics.
Heyo
Veteran Member
How much do you know about the laws of Physics?
E.g. explain why you can't walk on water (unless it's frozen) and explain how Jesus allegedly did it.
Poorer localities are easier to victimize. Edit: you can't create Rice Christians (or the equivalent in other religions) if people's material needs are already being met.
Edit: also, institutional religion tends to suck away resources from the societies they feed off of, making it difficult for them to rise out of poverty.
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
More generally intuitional objective authority systems do that.
And all theism is intuitional objective authority systems, right?
Heyo
Veteran Member
That's unfair. It is the governments responsibility to keep them poor and the churches responsibility to keep them stupid. But I think roles have changed over time.
Translation: Merkel: "You keep them stupid, I keep them poor."
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I don't know how Jesus did it. But, that he did so, is not necessary against laws of physics.
Heyo
Veteran Member
And why can't you do it?