Dog's Life vs Human's Life

[SalixIncendium]

Not for food.
But would killing an animal to eat it lessen the value of its life?

I wouldn’t kill an animal to eat it, so the obvious answer for me would be yes.

If so, that would mean that human lives have a different value.

Do hawk lives have a greater value to you than chicken lives?

 

[Revoltingest]

How does it change the premise?

Making it about a threat to others.

There's absolutely no reason for a sane, rational human being to ever have to "threaten a dog" with a knife. If he felt there was a legitimate need to kill the dog, then there are proper, legal channels for that to be done.

Not everyone is sane.
Does insanity make one's life worth less than a dog's.

No, I think if someone is that unglued and unhinged that they threaten a dog with a knife, then such a person is a danger to himself or others - more than just a dog.

Should a person's posing a threat to oneself mean the person should be killed?
If not yet a danger to others, should that person be killed?

If the police had to be called, then it wasn't just a choice of choosing the dog's life over the human's life.

Now you're violating the premises of the OP with speculation.
It derails from the issue I want to discuss.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wouldn’t kill an animal to eat it, so the obvious answer for me would be yes.


Do hawk lives have a greater value to you than chicken lives?

No greater value, but different values.
One is valuable as food.
The other is valuable for its role in nature.
Both are of lower value than humans (generally).

 

[SalixIncendium]

No greater value, but different values.
One is valuable as food.
The other is valuable for its role in nature.
Both are of lower value than humans (generally).

Why?

 

[Revoltingest]

Why?

Personal preference.
I like chicken Pad Thai, kung pao chicken, chicken nuggets,
curried chicken, BBQ chicken, garlic chicken, chicken noodle
soup, & fried chicken.
Valuing humans more than chickens is good for social stability.
If humans were treated with the same regard, there'd be mass
chaos as people defended themselves from others.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I suppose it could be argued that a human with a knife is a threat to other humans in close proximity. Whether he threatens the dog may be incidental, but even if there was no dog, the fact that he had a knife and refused to drop it when commanded to do so would escalate the situation.

I doubt they would be killed in many other countries though, and the prevalence of so many weapons in the USA seems to have ramped up the responses to virtually anything - and hence something not particularly good - especially when people get killed by the police during traffic violations or when knocking on doors. Such that in most other countries too this would not be likely to happen - the example given, that is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My personal thoughts, but in that "would you kill a dog to save a human" thing no, I would not. I might kill a human a to save a dog, but definitely not the other way around.

 

[Koldo]

I recently ran across something in the news.
A man was killed (pumped full of rifle rounds)
by cops because he threatened to knife a dog.

Comments all supported killing the man.
This struck me as odd. I'd grant the human
a greater right to life. If he killed the dog,
just prosecute'm for the crime.

What say y'all. No need for a poll.

I would say the life of a (soon to be) dog killer is worth less than that of a dog. Which therefore justifies killing the (soon to be) dog killer to prevent the killing of a dog.

 

[Stevicus]

Making it about a threat to others.

Then the premise might be flawed. Under the circumstances presented, using logical deduction, there had to have been a threat to others.

Not everyone is sane.
Does insanity make one's life worth less than a dog's.

No, but an insane person armed with a knife would, in and of itself, be a threat to others.

Should a person's posing a threat to oneself mean the person should be killed?

No.

If not yet a danger to others, should that person be killed?

Is this part of the premise? I didn't see this part originally.

Why would someone call the police about someone threatening a dog with a knife? If some guy wanted to kill his own dog, he could just do it himself. No need to "threaten" to do it - and no need for anyone else to even know about it. If he's threatening to kill someone else's dog, then the pet owner would have every justifiable reason to feel threatened themselves. If you were walking your dog in the park and some crazy person with a knife comes and says "I'm going to kill your dog," would you feel safe from that person? Would he not be considered a threat, since he is carrying a deadly weapon?

Now you're violating the premises of the OP with speculation.
It derails from the issue I want to discuss.

Well, as I said, the default answer would ordinarily be that human life is more important than an animal's life.

In this scenario, we have a crazy man with a knife threatening a dog. The police were called, and the police shot and killed the crazy man with a knife. Presumably, the dog's life was saved.

You're asking if he should have been killed? Probably not, if there were other ways of dealing with the situation, but without more information, it's hard to render any verdict here. I don't know what the law is on this, but it seems it would be a weak defense for a police officer to claim that he shot and killed someone to save the life of a dog. The only way it could be justified in my mind is if it could be argued that human life was in danger.

 

[Koldo]

My personal thoughts, but in that "would you kill a dog to save a human" thing no, I would not. I might kill a human a to save a dog, but definitely not the other way around.

No matter the circunstance? No matter the person?

I find it hard to believe you would let yourself or a special one be killed by a dog, for example. If you absolutely had to kill the dog, I doubt you wouldn't.

 

[Quagmire]

If it's that dog across the road from me that barks at 2:00 in the morning every morning I would say the cops should have just stayed in thier squad cars and watched Instagram videos.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would say the life of a (soon to be) dog killer is worth less than that of a dog. Which therefore justifies killing the (soon to be) dog killer to prevent the killing of a dog.

That is a very straight answer.
My disagreement is irrelevant.

 

[Stevicus]

I doubt they would be killed in many other countries though, and the prevalence of so many weapons in the USA seems to have ramped up the responses to virtually anything - and hence something not particularly good - especially when people get killed by the police during traffic violations or when knocking on doors. Such that in most other countries too this would not be likely to happen - the example given, that is.

In a lot of these cases, the victims were unarmed - no knife, gun, or anything. They were instances where the police "thought" they had a weapon. In the George Floyd case, it was absolute unmitigated brutality.

But in the scenario presented here, it's established that the assailant was armed with a knife. I don't know how that would be handled in other countries, especially if there are other people around and in danger. Would the police use deadly force? Would there be other options?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No matter the circunstance? No matter the person?

I find it hard to believe you would let yourself or a special one be killed by a dog, for example. If you absolutely had to kill the dog, I doubt you wouldn't.

Realistically that special one is statiatically more likely to attack and kill me than a dog. And I have been in situations where I can say, yes, I am far more patient, understanding and forgiving towards dogs than I am people.

 

[Revoltingest]

Realistically that special one is statiatically more likely to attack and kill me than a dog. And I have been in situations where I can say, yes, I am far more patient, understanding and forgiving towards dogs than I am people.

Some job advice....
Don't go into child care.
Or policing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Some job advice....
Don't go into child care.

I have worked with kids. I really hated parents, most of them anyways, as they were usually why the kid was having mental health issues.
But I'm not bad at it, just ineffective.

Or policing.

I'm sure they'd consider me physically fit enough for it, but I respect myseof too much and don't hate myself enough. Amd I probably wouldn't last long because my own biases amd prejudices would be totally out of alignmemt and just not congruent with the larger pork culture. Could you imagine if they find a cop letting poor people go while issuing tickets to those who can actually afford them? Just what would they say when I bring in a politician for corruption and they discover a lack of drug searches and seizures and thus not further and extensively burdening the lives of poor people who can't afford to pay to play and win? I don't think they'd like that skin heads, neo-Nazis, Klansmen and those like them are the bulk of those appealing my actions, add in the occasional cop in that list and they'd hate me and things often go horribly unwell for cops the pigs view as traitors.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have worked with kids. I really hated parents, most of them anyways, as they were usually why the kid was having mental health issues.
But I'm not bad at it, just ineffective.

I'm sure they'd consider me physically fit enough for it, but I respect myseof too much and don't hate myself enough. Amd I probably wouldn't last long because my own biases amd prejudices would be totally out of alignmemt and just not congruent with the larger pork culture. Could you imagine if they find a cop letting poor people go while issuing tickets to those who can actually afford them? Just what would they say when I bring in a politician for corruption and they discover a lack of drug searches and seizures and thus not further and extensively burdening the lives of poor people who can't afford to pay to play and win? I don't think they'd like that skin heads, neo-Nazis, Klansmen and those like them are the bulk of those appealing my actions, add in the occasional cop in that list and they'd hate me and things often go horribly unwell for cops the pigs view as traitors.

Well....OK then.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Personal preference.
I like chicken Pad Thai, kung pao chicken, chicken nuggets,
curried chicken, BBQ chicken, garlic chicken, chicken noodle
soup, & fried chicken.
Valuing humans more than chickens is good for social stability.
If humans were treated with the same regard, there'd be mass
chaos as people defended themselves from others.

I find it curious how you feel humans would be brought down to the level of a chicken rather than elevating chickens to the level of human.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well....OK then.

They'd hate me because I'd tell them why its so inexplicably stupid and dumb for anything pro-cop to use the Punisher Skull logo.

 

[Revoltingest]

I find it curious how you feel humans would be brought down to the level of a chicken...

I'm surprised you inferred that.
Not my intent.