Dog's Life vs Human's Life

[Curious George]

I recently ran across something in the news.
A man was killed (pumped full of rifle rounds)
by cops because he threatened to knife a dog.

Comments all supported killing the man.
This struck me as odd. I'd grant the human
a greater right to life. If he killed the dog,
just prosecute'm for the crime.

What say y'all. No need for a poll.

I agree with you. A dog is legally chattel. A man threading the destruction of property does not in itself justify the use of deadly force. Though using less lethal options like rubber bullets or a stun gun may be a viable option.

Of course this is based on the bare-bones facts that you have laid forth. I would grant that additional facts may change the analysis.

 

[Koldo]

I agree with you. A dog is legally chattel. A man threading the destruction of property does not in itself justify the use of deadly force. Though using less lethal options like rubber bullets or a stun gun may be a viable option.

Of course this is based on the bare-bones facts that you have laid forth. I would grant that additional facts may change the analysis.

What does legality have to do with it?

 

[Curious George]

What does legality have to do with it?

Do you not think law enforcement officers actions should be guided by legality?

 

[Koldo]

Do you not think law enforcement officers actions should be guided by legality?

Depends on the law. Historically, many humans were legally chattel. Do you think the cops should have been guided by the legality of their times?

 

[Curious George]

Depends on the law. Historically, many humans were legally chattel. Do you think the cops should have been guided by the legality of their times?

While acting in their position, yes. They could have advocated for a change of the law if they disagreed.

 

[Koldo]

While acting in their position, yes. They could have advocated for a change of the law if they disagreed.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Nazi German became possible.

 

[Curious George]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Nazi German became possible.

Not really. You don’t know much about history, huh?

 

[Koldo]

Not really. You don’t know much about history, huh?

What do you think would have happened if those in charge of enforcing immoral laws didn't become complicit with it? Would Nazi German have been possible? Nope, it wouldn't have gone that far.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Shooting the man full of bullets to save a dog is not the call I would make. The society that values the dog more has stopped valuing human life enough.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree with you. A dog is legally chattel. A man threading the destruction of property does not in itself justify the use of deadly force. Though using less lethal options like rubber bullets or a stun gun may be a viable option.

Of course this is based on the bare-bones facts that you have laid forth. I would grant that additional facts may change the analysis.

Additional facts also lead to threads
going down rabbit holes, leaving the
fundamental issue lost in the fog.

 

[Curious George]

What do you think would have happened if those in charge of enforcing immoral laws didn't become complicit with it? Would Nazi German have been possible? Nope, it wouldn't have gone that far.

I think you want to oversimplify something very complex and then make a false equivalence with something I have said. I think you would like to appeal to emotion because you have no other valid argument.

 

[Curious George]

Additional facts also lead to threads
going down rabbit holes, leaving the
fundamental issue lost in the fog.

Additional facts can greatly change the analysis. And, rightfully so.

 

[Mock Turtle]

In a lot of these cases, the victims were unarmed - no knife, gun, or anything. They were instances where the police "thought" they had a weapon. In the George Floyd case, it was absolute unmitigated brutality.

But in the scenario presented here, it's established that the assailant was armed with a knife. I don't know how that would be handled in other countries, especially if there are other people around and in danger. Would the police use deadly force? Would there be other options?

It still seems a bit over the top, and rather slippery slope material, given someone might do the same with a cat (screams from many here ) or any other animal. Perhaps technology will come to the rescue eventually to incapacitate any who threaten others (including non-humans), given that tasers don't always seem to work.

 

[Koldo]

I think you want to oversimplify something very complex and then make a false equivalence with something I have said. I think you would like to appeal to emotion because you have no other valid argument.

I think you don't understand the consequences of blindly supporting the law.

 

[Revoltingest]

Additional facts can greatly change the analysis. And, rightfully so.

Often wrongfully so too.
"What if the man shot would've been the next Hitler!".
"What if the dog was inspiring his owner to unify quantum mechanics & general relativity!"

 

[Stevicus]

It still seems a bit over the top, and rather slippery slope material, given someone might do the same with a cat (screams from many here ) or any other animal. Perhaps technology will come to the rescue eventually to incapacitate any who threaten others (including non-humans), given that tasers don't always seem to work.

I guess we need phasers with a stun setting.

 

[Curious George]

I think you don't understand the consequences of blindly supporting the law.

I think you should reread what I wrote.

 

[Stevicus]

I recently ran across something in the news.
A man was killed (pumped full of rifle rounds)
by cops because he threatened to knife a dog.

Comments all supported killing the man.
This struck me as odd. I'd grant the human
a greater right to life. If he killed the dog,
just prosecute'm for the crime.

What say y'all. No need for a poll.

So is this the story in question?

Video shows moment Florida man trying to stab K-9 is gunned down by cops

Newly released video shows Florida deputies gunning down a knife-wielding fugitive man as he prepares to stab a police dog. Deputies were called to a Jacksonville home on April 12 after receiving r…

nypost.com

Newly released video shows Florida deputies gunning down a knife-wielding suspect as he prepares to stab a police dog.

Deputies were called to a Jacksonville home on April 12 after receiving reports that Matvey Klimenko was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage at knifepoint, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office.

The suspect, who had several outstanding warrants, had broken into her residence and threatened to kill her, police said.

So, it was as I suspected, that there were humans being threatened, not just a dog.

 

[Curious George]

Often wrongfully so too.
"What if the man shot would've been the next Hitler!".
"What if the dog was inspiring his owner to unify quantum mechanics & general relativity!"

Adding or subtracting tenuous hypotheticals is not the same noting or ignoring relevant facts.

 

[Revoltingest]

Adding or subtracting tenuous hypotheticals is not the same noting or ignoring relevant facts.

This misses the increased potential for derailment.
Fortunately for you, I'm aware of it. And the thread
stayed largely on track for a full page or so.
I got a few clear & interesting posts.
Qapla'!