Dog's Life vs Human's Life

[Revoltingest]

So is this the story in question?

Video shows moment Florida man trying to stab K-9 is gunned down by cops

Newly released video shows Florida deputies gunning down a knife-wielding fugitive man as he prepares to stab a police dog. Deputies were called to a Jacksonville home on April 12 after receiving r…

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So, it was as I suspected, that there were humans being threatened, not just a dog.

I can always depend upon you to miss the main theme,
& steer a thread in a different & muddied direction.

 

[Koldo]

I think you should reread what I wrote.

I did and stand by what I have said.

 

[Koldo]

Realistically that special one is statiatically more likely to attack and kill me than a dog. And I have been in situations where I can say, yes, I am far more patient, understanding and forgiving towards dogs than I am people.

I am also far more patient, understanding and forgiving towards dogs than I am to people. But I definitely wouldn't refrain from killing a dog that was attacking me if it was necessary for my survival. I really doubt you wouldn't do the same.

 

[Curious George]

This misses the increased potential for derailment.
Fortunately for you, I'm aware of it. And the thread
stayed largely on track for a full page or so.
I got a few clear & interesting posts.
Qapla'!

That is, perhaps true. Though I imagine your question of bias is more akin to the truth. I was merely noting the caveat that with additional facts additional analysis is necessary. ‘‘Twas you who pursued this tangent by insisting that such additional analysis was equally susceptible to folly.

 

[Curious George]

I did and stand by what I have said.

Sigh, we’ll cheers then.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am also far more patient, understanding and forgiving towards dogs than I am to people. But I definitely wouldn't refrain from killing a dog that was attacking me if it was necessary for my survival. I really doubt you wouldn't do the same.

I would refrain from killing it and most likely blame the owner for not raising the dog better.
I know myself better than you know me. Don't doubt this one. I can exchange nastiness with people all day. But with dogs they temd to not act with the cruelty and malice like people do. I'm more likely to blame myself if I get attacked by a dog (I have a couple of times) because dogs aren't who made me bitter and angry amd gave me issues trusting people.

 

[Koldo]

I would refrain from killing it and most likely blame the owner for not raising the dog better.
I know myself better than you know me. Don't doubt this one. I can exchange nastiness with people all day. But with dogs they temd to not act with the cruelty and malice like people do. I'm more likely to blame myself if I get attacked by a dog (I have a couple of times) because dogs aren't who made me bitter and angry amd gave me issues trusting people.

It is obviously highly unlikely that you would be in a situation where you are being attacked by a dog and not only find out it is necessary to kill the dog to survive but also have the means to kill the dog. But I am sorry, I just don't buy that if that ever happened you would refuse to kill the dog and just let yourself get killed.

 

[Stevicus]

I can always depend upon you to miss the main theme,
& steer a thread in a different & muddied direction.

It seemed that your "main theme" was to depict a scenario in which the life of a dog was considered more important than the life of a human. But it wasn't actually like that, was it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It is obviously highly unlikely that you would be in a situation where you are being attacked by a dog and not only find out it is necessary to kill the dog to survive but also have the means to kill the dog. But I am sorry, I just don't buy that if that ever happened you would refuse to kill the dog and just let yourself get killed.

You're struggling with this because your making foolish, dumb assumptions. Let myself get killed? I never said such a stupid thing and and it's just as equally stupid to think defending yourself must include killing.
As I said I know myself, you don't know me at all. Plus having been through a couple dog attacks I can say I know how I react to them.
I wouldn't kill the dog but I'd feel like whacking the owners head with a baseball bat. Seriously, that's how I get. Or I recognize I shouldn't have moved so quick. Those are my actual thoughts in regards to being attacked by a dog.

 

[Revoltingest]

It seemed that your "main theme" was to depict a scenario in which the life of a dog was considered more important than the life of a human. But it wasn't actually like that, was it?

Nothing productive will come
from discussing it with you.

 

[Koldo]

I can always depend upon you to miss the main theme,
& steer a thread in a different & muddied direction.

I actually think the facts here bring about a different and intriguing perspective:

If you unleash a dog and it runs towards someone, clearly showing signs that it is going to attack, it is entirely reasonable to expect that whatever weapon that person is carrying is going to be used against that dog. If that is not an acceptable outcome then you do not unleash the dog. Simple as that.

In other words, the cops put the dog in a dangerous situation and then killed the criminal to save the dog from the situation that they themselves created.

 

[Revoltingest]

I actually think the facts here bring about a different and intriguing perspective:

But that perspective would drive discussion
in a direction different from how posters
value human vs animal lives.
I did get a few straight answers to the issue
before the quibblers commandeered the thread.
Post #28 by that Koldo guy is stellar example of clarity.
To repeat...
Qapla'!

 

[Koldo]

You're struggling with this because your making foolish, dumb assumptions. Let myself get killed? I never said such a stupid thing and and it's just as equally stupid to think defending yourself must include killing.
As I said I know myself, you don't know me at all. Plus having been through a couple dog attacks I can say I know how I react to them.
I wouldn't kill the dog but I'd feel like whacking the owners head with a baseball bat. Seriously, that's how I get. Or I recognize I shouldn't have moved so quick. Those are my actual thoughts in regards to being attacked by a dog.

That just goes to show you didn't properly read my very first post to you on this topic:

"No matter the circunstance? No matter the person?

I find it hard to believe you would let yourself or a special one be killed by a dog, for example. If you absolutely had to kill the dog, I doubt you wouldn't."

I was struggling because I was assuming you had that part in mind the whole time.

 

[Stevicus]

Nothing productive will come
from discussing it with you.

It's your choice to have unproductive discussions, not mine.

 

[Koldo]

But that perspective would drive discussion
in a direction different from how posters
value human vs animal lives.
I did get a few straight answers to the issue
before the quibblers commandeered the thread.
Post #28 was stellar example of clarity.
To repeat...
Qapla'!

Sure sure. I understand why you have chosen to create the topic this particular way. I just found it worth of note that the peculiar factual situation brings about a new debate.

When I gave you my original answer I was thinking of a dog being randomly attacked by a criminal. Not an aggressor dog, picking a fight on the street (rather than merely protecting his home, for example), actively rushing towards the criminal. On that case, I would say the cops shouldn't have used deadly force. They shouldn't even have unleashed the dog in the first place.

And this is not because it is a dog, by the way. I consider a dog on this scenario the equivalent to a cop, carrying a knife on his hand, openly threatening to kill/harm the criminal while rushing towards him. This is not the proper way to approach a criminal when you don't want to get stabbed/shot.

But as I have said, I understand this is another debate.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's your choice to have avoid unproductive discussions, not mine.

Fixed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure sure. I understand why you have chosen to create the topic this particular way. I just found it worth of note that the peculiar factual situation brings about a new debate.

I actually see the surrounding circumstances as not
changing the issue I presented.
The fact that the man killed was a dirtbag (apologies
to bags of dirt) makes it seem less onerous to kill him
to prevent injury or death of a dog.
The fact that the dog was a K9 doing his job makes
the dog more sympathetic.

My view is that you don't kill a human just because he
might injure or kill an animal. Even dirtbags have civil
rights.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I was struggling because I was assuming you had that part in mind the whole time.

It seems to me like you're trying to hard to pull some gotcha on me, so certain in yourself that surely I must behave a certain way even after I told you it's something I've been through and know exactly how I react to such a situation. And I can say, very certainly, I'm concerned about not hurting a dog when attacked by one but when a person attacks me that concern is absent.

 

[Audie]

I am also far more patient, understanding and forgiving towards dogs than I am to people. But I definitely wouldn't refrain from killing a dog that was attacking me if it was necessary for my survival. I really doubt you wouldn't do the same.

Or ftm, killing a person if necessary.
At least, I would.

 

[Koldo]

Or ftm, killing a person if necessary.
At least, I would.

Yep.