sandy whitelinger
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I understand that there was a large part of it that pointed towards the redemption/sacrifices for sin. Jesus fulfills that sacrifice for Christians.
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Doing the Law
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sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I did. You chose to mock it.
Don't be silly.
Again, be serious. Why is this your fall back position?
Shermana
Heretic
Somehow I think I'm not going to be getting an honest reply or an attempt to defend such a position.
And no, what I chose to mock was a rather vague, ambiguous and unsubstantiated view of a passage that has no clear cut meaning. If you feel you put it in clear, logical terms that would make sense to an objective observer who doesn't already share your views ,feel free to repost. Otherwise, I appreciate you demonstrating that you are unable or unwilling to answer simple questions about such a belief. It's usually the case with most Antinomians when the feet is put to the fire.
And no, what I chose to mock was a rather vague, ambiguous and unsubstantiated view of a passage that has no clear cut meaning. If you feel you put it in clear, logical terms that would make sense to an objective observer who doesn't already share your views ,feel free to repost. Otherwise, I appreciate you demonstrating that you are unable or unwilling to answer simple questions about such a belief. It's usually the case with most Antinomians when the feet is put to the fire.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
My feet are cold. Do you wish to be serious now?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Obviously not. Check your attitude at the door next time.
Shermana
Heretic
I didn't know having the right attitude was a pre-requisite to get straight answers.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Only civil debate.
Shermana
Heretic
I'd think that was rather civil especially compared to what usually goes on this forum.
But that's enough dancing and dodging for one day, I think my work here is done.
Score another victory against Antinomianism.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Glad you think so.
But that's enough dancing and dodging for one day...[/QUOTE] Have a nice run.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Since GOD is NOT a respecter of persons, it is sin that marks a person---for death. It is being Obedient to GOD which marks a person as HIS.
Hi Shermana, Rom.6:1-6?-- True, GOD is a Gracious, Merciful GOD, but in the context of chapter 5, one is justified by Faith in the death of Jesus Christ who was the substitute/anti-type of that Animal that was daily sacrificed for the Repentant sinner.
No! Continuing in sinful practices doesn't cause grace to abound. The repentant sinner doesn't continue to sin, because of the love one has for the ONE who redeemed him from death.
By choosing to be baptized, one acknowledges that one has died(made that substitute seen in the O.T.) with the substitute(Jesus Christ---the only possible pre-creation GOD approved means) and by HIS life is risen in newness of life -----leaving the old man of sin behind.
Hi Sandy Whitelinger, LegionOnomaMoi, Sincerly, Shermana, and anyone else who imagines that sin still lives.
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
Shabbat Shalom!
My mentor, the Apostle Paul, declared that the power of sin is the Torah or the Law. Giving kudos to Metis, whenever Paul uses the definite article with Nomos, Paul is referring to the whole ball of wax, both the Oral and Written Law.
Christians have a problem when they declare that sin still exists after the death of My Messiah Yahushua. If sin still exists, then of necessity the Torah or Law still exists. If the Law still is operative, then why do Christians not remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy? Why do they forget it? Why do they not have a holy convocation on the 7th Day? Why do they buy and sell on the Sabbath Day? Why do they go to work on the Sabbath Day? How come they continue in their sin if they are no longer under the power of sin which is the Law?
Christians have some explaining to do, do they not?
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
Shabbat Shalom!
My mentor, the Apostle Paul, declared that the power of sin is the Torah or the Law. Giving kudos to Metis, whenever Paul uses the definite article with Nomos, Paul is referring to the whole ball of wax, both the Oral and Written Law.
Christians have a problem when they declare that sin still exists after the death of My Messiah Yahushua. If sin still exists, then of necessity the Torah or Law still exists. If the Law still is operative, then why do Christians not remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy? Why do they forget it? Why do they not have a holy convocation on the 7th Day? Why do they buy and sell on the Sabbath Day? Why do they go to work on the Sabbath Day? How come they continue in their sin if they are no longer under the power of sin which is the Law?
Christians have some explaining to do, do they not?
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr
I would reply but I don't think we're starting from similar enough premises for this to be valuable to you.
Hi LegionOnomaMoi,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
Shabbat Shalom!
Normally, I do not reply in haste without considering a matter, but allow me to make an exception for you.
I believe in the premise that when My Messiah Yahushua died, I believe that all of mankind, past, present, and future died. If that is the case, then you yourself are quite dead, and if nothing changes for you, they you yourself will grow older and eventually get sick and physically die, all because you are under the Law and the power of sin which is the Law!
All of mankind did die with Yahushua. What must now happen in order for you to live with HIM?
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
Shabbat Shalom!
Normally, I do not reply in haste without considering a matter, but allow me to make an exception for you.
I believe in the premise that when My Messiah Yahushua died, I believe that all of mankind, past, present, and future died. If that is the case, then you yourself are quite dead, and if nothing changes for you, they you yourself will grow older and eventually get sick and physically die, all because you are under the Law and the power of sin which is the Law!
All of mankind did die with Yahushua. What must now happen in order for you to live with HIM?
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
How to win a debate. Start with a snide comment.
Follow up with a little mockery.
Throw in some absurd irrelevant questions.
Take a superior attitude.
Throw in a little name calling.
Have an attitude.
Deflect then declare victory and go home.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Unless I'm mistaken the last time I checked I was still alive.
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sincerly
Well-Known Member
Hi Latuwr, Is 1Cor.15:56 your reference to Paul's statement as seen in (NIV), "
"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law."???
Please notice that context is at the Coming of Jesus Christ to gather the Redeemed saints/righteous people home to heaven for those first 1000 years as HE Promised.
It is the power of the Law(Not "nomas", but "entole") by which all are judged and the wicked are held fast because of refusal to confess their sins and Repent---submitting to the Will of the Father.
Jesus Christ did not abolish/negate the Decalogue(LAW) , but HIS death did "fulfill" the sacrificial/ceremonial laws(slaying of animals) which were symbolic of HIS Promised death which was planned "before the foundation of the world".(1 Pet.1:20).
As a follower of Jesus Christ, I observe the seventh day of the week Sabbath, but unless one accepts Jesus Christ as the Propitiation(as specified) for one's death sentence one's book of life retains those condemning judgments.
That "book" remains "clean" unless one actively sins again.(The Law is still active and informative/showing one where they need to return to the cleansing fountain.)
Shermana
Heretic
Sandywhitelinger:
Those are only irrelevant to someone who realizes that answering those questions will poke holes in their theology, or doesn't want to answer because they're ashamed of what they believe in. Why don't you tell me why you think they're irrelevant. They're not so absurd. They're actual questions about how you view sin in your theology.
Then you said that this is a "Snide comment":
So because I said "Jack nothing", suddenly you have an excuse to not answer this very relevant Theological question.
Ah, so you agree that "Antinomian" is "name calling". So you're insulted to be called an antinomian. There we have it, the Antinomian is insulted by being called an antinomian. I think my work is done here.
And then, to make it even better, accuses ME of deflecting. Wow. Do they get any more honest than this one?
Maybe at some point, after the other party deflects 5 times in a row and refuses to answer questions and brushes them off as "irrelevant" for whatever reason, there's a REASON why the other side declares victory perhaps?
As for the attitude, you deserve every single bit of it. Quit your whining and get over yourself. I don't need to declare victory. You do it for me.
Those are only irrelevant to someone who realizes that answering those questions will poke holes in their theology, or doesn't want to answer because they're ashamed of what they believe in. Why don't you tell me why you think they're irrelevant. They're not so absurd. They're actual questions about how you view sin in your theology.
Then you said that this is a "Snide comment":
So because I said "Jack nothing", suddenly you have an excuse to not answer this very relevant Theological question.
Ah, so you agree that "Antinomian" is "name calling". So you're insulted to be called an antinomian. There we have it, the Antinomian is insulted by being called an antinomian. I think my work is done here.
And then, to make it even better, accuses ME of deflecting. Wow. Do they get any more honest than this one?
Maybe at some point, after the other party deflects 5 times in a row and refuses to answer questions and brushes them off as "irrelevant" for whatever reason, there's a REASON why the other side declares victory perhaps?
As for the attitude, you deserve every single bit of it. Quit your whining and get over yourself. I don't need to declare victory. You do it for me.
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Hi Sandy Whitelinger,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
My Messiah Yahushua said this about the living who believe in HIM:
John 11:26
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Seeing how you yourself claim to part of the living and not part of the dead, do you yourself expect to remain alive and not physically die? I welcome , and I am thankful for your company if you do believe so.
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
My Messiah Yahushua said this about the living who believe in HIM:
John 11:26
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Seeing how you yourself claim to part of the living and not part of the dead, do you yourself expect to remain alive and not physically die? I welcome , and I am thankful for your company if you do believe so.
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr