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Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Jainarayan said:
That's how the Vedas and Puranas were passed along before being written down. And people still learn by recitation. Maybe I truly am dense, but I still really don't understand what all your fuss is about. Hinduism and the Vedas have done very nicely for several thousands of years without any help from outsiders.

Appreciation of God's word in Vedas is not bad, however Puranas are not considered to be the word of God. They are like Sahih.
I just followed the sentence written by Jainarayan to which I was responding.
However, thanks for your correction, I have not read any Puranas yet, so the remarks. Please
Regards
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
One may like to read post #8 the portion:
"Does one hold that the part of the verse under 38( as above) must have been written in full here again? Griffith has done a sort of compression of the verse. Right?"
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Namaste,
If you could enlighten me first on my question on post #261, again I ask why should Hindus take your suggestions?
#261
Dhanyavad
I read Bhagwad Gita many years ago. While having discussions in RF some Hinduism friends told me that not all Hindus believe in Gita. I inquired if there was a concise book on Hinduism or Dharmic Religions. They said there is none and nobody could read the Hinduism scripture even if one tried the whole life to read them. It was a shocking news for me.
Atheism/Skepticism/Agnosticism is wrong, I am convinced. I value all Religions and I want they should all be strong in Religion.
They the Hinduism friends also told me that there had been a discussion in RF to make a concise Hinduism scripture but it failed. So, the idea came into my mind, primarily for my own benefit to make one while I read them.
I never said that Hindus must accept my suggestions.
Does it help? Please
Salam
Regards
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I read Bhagwad Gita many years ago. While having discussions in RF some Hinduism friends told me that not all Hindus believe in Gita. I inquired if there was a concise book on Hinduism or Dharmic Religions. They said there is none and nobody could read the Hinduism scripture even if one tried the whole life to read them. It was a shocking news for me.
Belief in the Gita is not particularly necessary for Hindu practice, far as I can tell. While the Gita is highly regarded, it is entirely legitimate to disregard it if one's Sampradaya favors some other text or way.

Practice is greater than any specific texts.
Atheism/Skepticism/Agnosticism is wrong, I am convinced. I value all Religions and I want they should all be strong in Religion.
It is sad that you apparently fail to see how at odds those two statements are.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
They the Hinduism friends also told me that there had been a discussion in RF to make a concise Hinduism scripture but it failed.
Does it help? Please
Salam
Regards

Where did you get this information? It must have happened before I came to RF, because I certainly can't remember such a thing happening.

No it does not help. None of your suggestions are helpful. If it isn't broke, don't fix it. We Hindus don't need fixing.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I don't have any scripture, concise or otherwise, and I'm not complaining. Originally Hindus didn't, but things like the Vedas got canonised by the long struggle against the Buddhists and Jains. If some-one wanted to know whether a teacher was orthodox, they'd ask him if he accepted the authority of the Vedas.
Well, I don't agree with one that Buddha and his followers in his time were against Hinduism, it were the Hinduism (the one with Atheistic concepts) people against Buddha and his followers.

Regards
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Well, I don't agree with one that Buddha and his followers in his time were against Hinduism, it were the Hinduism (the one with Atheistic concepts) people against Buddha and his followers.

Regards
Many Hindus don't agree with that either. Whether Buddhism opposes Hinduism, or instead emphasizes aspects of Hinduism that might have been neglected at that time and place, or else presents Hindu Dharma in a way that would be accepted by those sorry non-believers such as your truly is a matter of some debate.

For the most part, a rather friendly, non-passionate debate.

Hindus generally disagree without really opposing each other. There are plenty enough understandings of the sacred for everyone. They have no particular need to agree among themselves, nor with us Buddhists. And it should be apparent by now that while they do not necessarily approve or understand atheism, it is not nearly as much of a problem for them as it is for Christians and Muslims.

Wise people, the Hindus are.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Atheism/Skepticism/Agnosticism is wrong, I am convinced.
May I ask why? You are prejudiced. Why should one be a believer (in the existence of God)? What is the proof?

Paarsurrey, Hindus do have a one-line scripture. It is like this:
'Paropakāram punyāya, pāpāya para-pīdanam'
(to help others is merit, to pain others is sin).
Nothing more than this is required. The Abrahamics should act on this rather than spreading hate and violence in the world.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Well, I don't agree with one that Buddha and his followers in his time were against Hinduism, ..
For a long time, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism were part of Hinduism. They were designated by words like panth (path) and Mata (view). Hindu kings always supported Buddhism and Jainism. In many cases, Jains were Chief Ministers (Wazirs) of Hindu kings. "Although Pulakeshin II was a Hindu ruler Xuanzang mentioned that there were one hundred Buddhist monasteries in his kingdom." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulakeshin_II#Xuanzang.27s_description

Being considered a separate religion is recent and political.
Wise people, the Hindus are.
:D Thanks, Luis, for appreciation of Hinduism and Hindus like ME (Here -> @Aupmanyav ). :D
 
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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I read Bhagwad Gita many years ago. While having discussions in RF some Hinduism friends told me that not all Hindus believe in Gita. I inquired if there was a concise book on Hinduism or Dharmic Religions. They said there is none and nobody could read the Hinduism scripture even if one tried the whole life to read them. It was a shocking news for me.
Atheism/Skepticism/Agnosticism is wrong, I am convinced. I value all Religions and I want they should all be strong in Religion.
They the Hinduism friends also told me that there had been a discussion in RF to make a concise Hinduism scripture but it failed. So, the idea came into my mind, primarily for my own benefit to make one while I read them.
I never said that Hindus must accept my suggestions.
Does it help? Please
Salam
Regards
We don't need a concise scripture. Scripture are but words. Practice of the faith is living.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
You won't have such consent. The reason being that you have given none of the Hindus here any reason to believe that you have any interest other than to selectively quote-mine and twist Hindu scriptures and force them into your pre-existing Ahmadiyaa worldview. You can do whatever you like, but don't expect consent, even from a liberal Hindu like me.
By consent I mean consent in creating one concise scripture. I already know what it will be. It will be a selectively quote-mined compilation of a few passages which, when one squints hard enough, can be read into the Ahmadiyaa theology, with 99% of everything else omitted, being dismissed as "corruption."
Whatever.

Further to post #230.
Hinduism Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that the ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish the Hinduism Scripture in a reasonable time frame , the hegemony of the Brahmins/priests/clergy on the scripture should come to an end and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself. Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Hinduism scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is produced which could be finished if not in 30 days or month, at least in year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part in 30/45 minutes a day.

The planning is like:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept as it is.
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as you one knows and now I at Chapter XIII Verse 8 or at page # 159 of total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 verses are just repetition of the previous verses. These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.

Anybody, please

Regards
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Have you found a publisher yet?
Thanks for your good and positive suggestion. I never thought about it.
I know no such publisher. One may be in this profession or one may know some good publisher. If one could find a good publisher , ordinary people will be pleased to know the good news. Please
Regards
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Further to post #230.
Hinduism Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that the ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish the Hinduism Scripture in a reasonable time frame , the hegemony of the Brahmins/priests/clergy on the scripture should come to an end and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself.
Anybody, please

Regards
I am an ordinary man, and I feel no need for this. Why do you still think Hindus like me need this? About 10 people on this forum, representing a fairly vast array of Hindus, have told you we don't need this. So I ask, why are you continuing? If a person figures a tree needs watering, and 10 people insist that it doesn't, do you think he should continue watering the tree?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Thanks for your good and positive suggestion. I never thought about it.
I know no such publisher. One may be in this profession or one may know some good publisher. If one could find a good publisher , ordinary people will be pleased to know the good news. Please
Regards

Surely in all of India you could find a publisher for such a 'wonderful' idea.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Particularly because India, after all, has a very large number of Muslims. But I fear that such a view will have trouble finding appeal outside of the Muslim readership.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I wish that the ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish the Hinduism Scripture in a reasonable time frame , the hegemony should come to an end and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself.

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Not every Hindu wants to read the scriptures, nor are we obligated to. You are projecting the practices of other religions onto ours. Hindu scriptures are not rules and regulations. They are not commandments that Hindus have to live by. There is no "hegemony of the Brahmins/priests/clergy on the scripture" because Hindus are not bound to obey any texts or clergy (which actually does not exist). I don't know how much plainer we can make this, or how many times I can say this is the same broken record being played over and over again.
 
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