Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

[Desert Snake]

Your entire premise is incorrect.

Hinduism is not a religion like Islam or Christian and with few exceptions, Hindu practices are not based on scripture.

The typical Hindu does not read scripture and does not need to.

Hi.
My beliefs are not 'based on', Scripture. Scripture is a Divine set of works that parallels my beliefs. If someone is claiming to be a 'Christian' , or a Jesus adherent /I am a non-Christian Jesus adherent,, and they state that their religious beliefs are 'from Scripture', or even 'based on Scripture', /that's contextual, as to truth of statement,, then, they either do not mean it in the manner that you seem to be implying, or, they are wrong. Sometimes, Scripture is used to present a position within the faith, and a term like 'based on Scripture', does have that use, contextually.

 

[paarsurrey]

There is a problem, Paarsurrey. Even if it was possible to compress all present knowledge of Hinduism in a Zip file, it will become another Ahle-kitab religion. It will loose the freedom and flexibility which we have now. That is a precious thing, and I do not think Hindus will trade it for a book. But you go ahead with your studies. After you finish that, I suggest you spend some time with the Upanishads. They are jewels of Hinduism. Bhagawat Gita is a veritable Kohinoor.
I guarantee to the members in this topic. Paarsurrey is absolutely serious about Hinduism. You have perhaps not understood him correctly. Otherwise he would not have read 13 chapters of YajurVeda. That is not easy reading.

Thanks for your appreciation.
Right now I am at Yajurveda Chapter 15: Verse 32 . or Page #189 or 500+ .
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

Thanks very much. Do you know reading urdu in Persian alphabetic as in your attachment. Please provide me Yajurveda and Rigveda online/PDF link in Urdu in Persian alphabetic.

I have not found a good translation of YajurVeda in English and Hindi, what to talk about translation in Urdu!

Will you kindly tell me who this 'we' is/are?

I think it is a translation of 'hum' in English - Hum chahte hain - We want.

 

[atanu]

That is one aspect. I intend to read all the four or some say three which were all together only ONE in the origin . My intention is to make them one again with the consensus and the consent, if possible, of my Hinduism friends/brothers and of course others here also.
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One may be wrong as I don't have any intention to change the Sanskrit original text. I have no intention to translate the original texts myself even if I knew the Sanskrit, which I don't know, not even its alphabetic.
Hinduism Scripture- The Compressed One
I wish that the ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish the Hinduism Scripture in a reasonable time frame , the hegemony of the Brahmins/priests/clergy on the scripture should come to an end and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself.
The planning is like:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept as it is.
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
Regards

Paarsurrey, From your posts, it appears that your intentions are not noble and your mind is not without bias. Yet, I hope that this post may at least plant some idea in your mind that you should stick to Koran for your and our good and not waste time. Alternatively, as someone suggested, you may visit an Arya Samaj mandir and seek to be converted to Hinduism, if you are authentic and genuine.

Since I respect Koran, I expect you to reciprocate and read the following without bias but taking it as my view only. No one needs to agree.

It is usually said that the Vedas have two aspects: the Creative (Karma Kanda) and the Gnosis (Jnana Kanda).

First, Vedas are the creative code of the Rishis who know the creative power of the Word. This universe is their plaything. Those who have no knowledge of the creative power of the Word have no use for this aspect of the Vedas.

The second aspect is the gnosis of Atman, for which, the scripture is really very precise. You may find that knowledge in every page of any Hindu scripture. I show one example here from Katha Upanishad, which is a dialogue between Nachiketa, a spiritual seeker, and God of death.

Nachiketa
Teach me, 0 King, I beseech thee, whatsoever thou knowest to be beyond right and wrong, beyond cause and effect, beyond past, present, and future.

King of Death
Of that goal which all the Vedas declare, which is implicit in all penances, and in pursuit of which men lead lives of continence and service, of that will I briefly speak. It is-OM.

This syllable is Brahman. This syllable is indeed supreme. He who knows it obtains his desire. It is the strongest support. It is the highest symbol. He who knows it is reverenced as a knower of Brahman. The Self, whose symbol is OM, is the omniscient Lord.
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The Self is not known through study of the scriptures, nor through subtlety of the intellect, nor through much learning. But by him who longs for him is he known.' Verily unto him does the Self reveal his true being.

To summarise.

Veda is useless for us who have no control over the creative power of Word. And for attaining to the Gnosis of Atman, which is the goal, scriptures are not required.

Yes, for sure. It is all due to the wrong understandings of Quran due to the human element, errors of omission and or commission on the human part.
I agree with you, if I have correctly understood one.
Regards

So. If Koran is a perfect concise scripture, why Muslims fight and kill each other? Why you do not teach among the Muslims? What is the reason?

Why are you only interested in reforming Hinduism, when obviously your own house needs reformation. Why you do not preach to Muslims? Are you afraid?

Be authentic and genuine please, Right? Regards.

 

[paarsurrey]

You won't have such consent. The reason being that you have given none of the Hindus here any reason to believe that you have any interest other than to selectively quote-mine and twist Hindu scriptures and force them into your pre-existing Ahmadiyaa worldview. You can do whatever you like, but don't expect consent, even from a liberal Hindu like me.
By consent I mean consent in creating one concise scripture. I already know what it will be. It will be a selectively quote-mined compilation of a few passages which, when one squints hard enough, can be read into the Ahmadiyaa theology, with 99% of everything else omitted, being dismissed as "corruption."
Whatever.

Further to post #230.
Hinduism Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that the ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish the Hinduism Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Hinduism scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is produced which could be finished if not in 30 days or month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part in 30/45 minutes a day.

The planning is like:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept as it is.
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as you one knows and now I at Chapter 15 Verse 32 or at page # 189 of total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses ones. These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends in Hinduism help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself.
Anybody, please

Regards
229,230, #315

 

[Vinayaka]

Why would we need that when we have the Koran? Right? Please.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Luis, I was being sarcastic. There will no publisher for this.

One can find a vanity press for just about anything.. (I realise you were being sarcastic previously)

 

[Vinayaka]

One can find a vanity press for just about anything.. (I realise you were being sarcastic previously)

So true ... https://archive.org/details/TheEmergenceOfHinduism

 

[paarsurrey]

Why would we need that when we have the Koran? Right? Please.

Quran is of course there and shines with its brilliance. No harm if Vedas are also read by everybody for comparison. Please
Regards

 

[SomeRandom]

Further to post #230.
Hinduism Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that the ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish the Hinduism Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Hinduism scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is produced which could be finished if not in 30 days or month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part in 30/45 minutes a day.

The planning is like:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept as it is.
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as you one knows and now I at Chapter 15 Verse 32 or at page # 189 of total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses ones. These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends in Hinduism help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself.
Anybody, please

Regards
229,230, #315

That's like condensing all of the Western (or Eastern) Literary canon to a simple set of easy to access volumes.
No, just no. I shudder, literally shudder, at the very thought. It is disgusting to me. Maybe because of 1984's influence on me, but still.
We don't condense Shakespeare for the same reason. Or at least we view condensed Shakespeare as "baby stuff" compared to the original. To simplify or condense texts waters them down. You end up diluting them and the wisdom is not properly appreciated.
I may never appreciate Shakespeare on every level possible due to my lack of education and not living in Elizabethan England. But that's okay. I can still enjoy Shakespeare all the same on my own terms, my own time.
So it is with our scriptures. If you don't read them all, who cares? It's not like Hindus feel we're short of time. The whole reincarnation belief (generally) makes that point rather moot.

You're trying to abridge texts, but abridged texts just make people intellectually lazy. They don't help people, they hinder them. Unless you have like dyslexia, which should excuse a person from having to read anything, then you should be able to read the original.

 

[Vinayaka]

That's a nice analogy, SR.

Paarsurrey, how many people saying 'No! No!" do you think it would take for you to give up on this idea?

 

[Vinayaka]

So, go and spread your hatred among the readers of Koran.

I'm sure the Koran needs fixing too. Paar could do that.

 

[atanu]

I think "Do not feed the troll" will be most appropriate.

 

[LuisDantas]

Some accessible explanations on why over-reliance on scripture is a bad idea would not be wasted, I think.

 

[Vinayaka]

A neighbour rushes into Joe's and says, "Did you see that Mercedes across the street? Let's go steal it and see if we can make us each a few thousand dollars. I know this guy down by the docks."
Joe replies ... "Hmmm, let's consult the _________ first. It will tell us what to do."

 

[paarsurrey]

That's like condensing all of the Western (or Eastern) Literary canon to a simple set of easy to access volumes.
No, just no. I shudder, literally shudder, at the very thought. It is disgusting to me. Maybe because of 1984's influence on me, but still.
We don't condense Shakespeare for the same reason. Or at least we view condensed Shakespeare as "baby stuff" compared to the original. To simplify or condense texts waters them down. You end up diluting them and the wisdom is not properly appreciated.
I may never appreciate Shakespeare on every level possible due to my lack of education and not living in Elizabethan England. But that's okay. I can still enjoy Shakespeare all the same on my own terms, my own time.
So it is with our scriptures. If you don't read them all, who cares? It's not like Hindus feel we're short of time. The whole reincarnation belief (generally) makes that point rather moot.
You're trying to abridge texts, but abridged texts just make people intellectually lazy. They don't help people, they hinder them. Unless you have like dyslexia, which should excuse a person from having to read anything, then you should be able to read the original.

Please don't compare Shakespeare with Vedas. A human construct should not be compared with the Word of God. Right? Please

I think I explained in many posts that I am not going to translate anything from the original Veda scripture nor insisting on any specific translation, the compressed one will rather introduce Vedas in its own words already translated, as well as and side by side the original text in Sanskrit will be shown. Don't you want that the Vedic knowledge becomes accessible to everybody and propagated in the world.Right? Please
It is a charitable work.
Please peruse point No. 4 in #345.
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Please don't compare Shakespeare with Vedas. A human construct should not be compared with the Word of God.

Were it not possible for humans to at least approach the sacred, there would be no point in teaching of it.

 

[Vinayaka]

Please don't compare Shakespeare with Vedas. A human construct should not be compared with the Word of God. Right? Please

Paar, he's not comparing the Vedas to Shakespeare. He's making what is called an analogy, Paar. it's a method of explaining things by using different examples, where the same PRINCIPLE or method of what you are doing applies. The hope is that by using an analogy the understanding will emerge. So here is another analogy.

Suppose you have road maps of Mumbai, Delhi, and Kolkata, but you think it would be better just to have one road map. So you combine them. Does that work?

 

[paarsurrey]

Were it not possible for humans to at least approach the sacred, there would be no point in teaching of it.

Kindly elaborate your viewpoint. I don't get one. Please
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Kindly elaborate your viewpoint. I don't get one. Please
Regards

You disapprove of comparisons between scripture and (explicitly) human writings, but that is an arbitrary and IMO self-defeating stance to have.

Theologically, it is also at the very least a questionable stance. For a scripture to have any use at all, it must be humanly understandable. And despite the Qur'ans claims to the contrary, that also means that it is humanly possible to write things comparable to any useful scripture.