Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

[SomeRandom]

Please don't compare Shakespeare with Vedas. A human construct should not be compared with the Word of God. Right? Please

I think I explained in many posts that I am not going to translate anything from the original Veda scripture nor insisting on any specific translation, the compressed one will rather introduce Vedas in its own words already translated, as well as and side by side the original text in Sanskrit will be shown. Don't you want that the Vedic knowledge becomes accessible to everybody and propagated in the world.Right? Please
It is a charitable work.
Please peruse point No. 4 in #345.
Regards

Do you have any idea how much we use and rely on Shakespeare to this very day in English?
Yes, I will compare Shakespeare to scripture, kindly don't tell me how to treat my own Holy books. And it was an analogy either way, like I realise your second or third language is English, but not everything in English should be taken at face value. It's weird like that.

No. By compressing the Vedas you lose it's original flavour. You dumb it down by default. Kindly do not treat our scripture this way. It is to be soaked up, meditated upon not just read.
And there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom.

 

[SomeRandom]

Paar, he's not comparing the Vedas to Shakespeare. He's making what is called an analogy, Paar. it's a method of explaining things by using different examples, where the same PRINCIPLE or method of what you are doing applies. The hope is that by using an analogy the understanding will emerge. So here is another analogy.

Suppose you have road maps of Mumbai, Delhi, and Kolkata, but you think it would be better just to have one road map. So you combine them. Does that work?

Thank you, brother or sister.

But just clarity's sake, I am a she.

 

[Vinayaka]

Thank you, brother or sister.

But just clarity's sake, I am a she.

Oh. Sorry about that.

 

[SomeRandom]

Oh. Sorry about that.

That's okay.

 

[Vinayaka]

That's okay.

I figured. You don't seem to be the kind of soul to get upset over that common mistake. FWIW, I'm a 62 year old grumpy old male.

 

[Aupmanyav]

So true ... https://archive.org/details/TheEmergenceOfHinduism

Ho, ho, ho, ho.

Why grumpy, Vinayaka? Don't you see life is so funny? Or do you mean that all old men are grumpy (I am 73)? That is a class defamation.

 

[SomeRandom]

I figured. You don't seem to be the kind of soul to get upset over that common mistake. FWIW, I'm a 62 year old grumpy old male.

I don't get upset. I get into heated debate, but upset, nah.

 

[paarsurrey]

You disapprove of comparisons between scripture and (explicitly) human writings, but that is an arbitrary and IMO self-defeating stance to have.

Theologically, it is also at the very least a questionable stance. For a scripture to have any use at all, it must be humanly understandable. And despite the Qur'ans claims to the contrary, that also means that it is humanly possible to write things comparable to any useful scripture.

Quran descended formally about fourteen hundred years ago, though it always existed in the nature, yet it is still fresh and could be understood easily in the living Arabic language . Human writings become outdated with the passage of time. This is one aspect.
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Quran descended formally about fourteen years ago,

I take it you mean "centuries", right?

though it always existed in the nature, yet it is still fresh and could be understood easily in the living Arabic language . Human writings become outdated with the passage of time. This is one aspect.
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That is one belief. Not a very advisable one, but a belief anyway.

In any case, it is still a Muslim, belief, not necessarily comparable to Hindu beliefs.

 

[paarsurrey]

I take it you mean "centuries", right?

Thanks for pointing out the error, I have now made the correction. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

You are wrong. Brahmins are not all priests. Please stop spreading incorrect and incomplete information.

Vedas mention the priests:

Yajurveda Chapter 17 Verse 61

61. O learned priest, wake up, attain to light, expel the sleep of
ignorance from your sacrificer (yajman) and bestow knowledge on him.
Together with this sacrificer arrange for the yajna (sacrifice) and collect
its materials.
Let all the learned priests and the sacrificer sit together in the
yajna on nice seats.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

If all Brahmins are not priests in Hinduism then all the priests are Brahmins. Right? Please correct me from Yajurveda if I am wrong.

"Brahmin:
In the traditional Hindu Theory of the four major social groups (varnas), the brahmins are the group with the highest status, based on the belief that they are purer than others. This belief is based on the creation story knowns as the Purusha Sukta, in which the brahmins are created from the Primeval Man’s mouth. The mouth is part of the head and thus the highest part of the body, and it is also associated with speech, one of the definitively human faculties. From the earliest Hindu recorded history, brahmins have been associated with speech and the sacred word, they were the scholars, priests, priests, ritual technicians, and protectors of the sacred learning. This is still true in modern times, although there are also many brahmins who have other occupations, such as trade, Business, and government service.”
“According to tradition, even an uneducated brahmin should be considered a ‘ god on earth’, whereas a learned brahmin is more sacred still?”
"The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism, Vol. 1: A–M, Rosen Publishing" Page 125
James Lochtefeld (2002), "Brahmin".

Anybody or everybody, please.
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes, most priests are Brahmins. When Brahmins are not available (like in a new temple beginning outside of India) anyone can volunteer to do the puja. These devotees are called Pandaram priests and are only active in the absence of Brahmins.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes, most priests are Brahmins. When Brahmins are not available (like in a new temple beginning outside of India) anyone can volunteer to do the puja. These devotees are called Pandaram priests and are only active in the absence of Brahmins.

In Veda about 100% priests were brahmins. Right? Please
If there were exceptions please quote from Yajurveda.
Anybody or everybody, please.
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

In Veda about 100% priests were brahmins. Right? Please
If there were exceptions please quote from Yajurveda.
Anybody or everybody, please.
Regards

Look for it yourself, Sir. What I told you was modern day practices. Hindus, in case you didn't notice, care about what is going on today, not what was going on 20 to 100 to 3000 years ago. Today there is an occasional need for non-Brahmin priests, so we adjust to that because that is the need. Unlike Muslims, we don't use our scriptures for everything. We are able to think for ourselves. Just because Muslims often refer to their holy book for stuff, we don't.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey, post: 4841919, member: 37462"

Namaste,

If all Brahmins are not priests in Hinduism then all the priests are Brahmins. Right?

In Fiji we consider this idea that if one decides to become a Pundit or Purohita in life then they must demonstrate their efficiency with Shastras and must lead a lifestyle which is considered "Brahmin" (Includes vegetarian, Ahimsa, Abstinence from Alcohol, Satvic, Nishkama, Satya and a overall Dharmic lifestyle and Punya Karma), so anyone can choose to become a Priest but must change their outlook and lifestyle so that they can concentrate specifically on the job. There are many priests in Fiji that people consider as just Pundit but not Brahmin, these 2 concepts should not be equated.

Brahmin includes not working in other Chatur Varnas, such as Politics, Business, farming ect, Not owning material wealth is a big part of the Brahmin Varna for us, and that is why many Pundits who are Brahmin Varna are actually making a conscious decisions of poverty, now in this Modern day and age this is not practical, therefore Purohits/Pundits can have Jobs but if they choose to be Pundits/Purohits they still must demonstrate that they can be Brahmin, Which is leading a Satvic life.

This is a basic principal followed by many Indian-Fijian-Hindus even here in Australia, as there seems to be no Caste among Hindus here.

Now this is not set in stone, nor is Brahmin ever Born of a Brahmin, this is the original idea. In Fiji we follow a system prior to Birth based Caste system of modern India (as Many Indian Hindus arrived in Fiji during the early years of British rule and were not much influenced by the Caste distinctions devised by the Brits), which is the original Varna system, which is based on the Guna and Karma (as we get advised by Shri Krishna in the Gita) rather then birth.

It is because of their Karma and Guna that Brahmins are respected.

 

[SomeRandom]

In Veda about 100% priests were brahmins. Right? Please
If there were exceptions please quote from Yajurveda.
Anybody or everybody, please.
Regards

So what if it does? If scripture is not applicable to today then we ignore it as outdated. Scripture is not set in stone it must be flexible enough to work properly. We constantly reevaluate everything. Some are more strict than others but this is our strength. It's similar to the self correcting mechanism in Science. By being allowed flexibility we can evolve with the times and rid ourselves of outdated practices that may be harmful or find solutions to issues like lack of Brahmin Priests as was previously mentioned. As was mentioned in the previous post no one outside of India follows or probably even knows the Caste System.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

As was mentioned in the previous post no one outside of India follows or probably even knows the Caste System.

I have seen some higher caste Hindus outside India (in Europe) draw on notions of caste to justify their unequal/unfair treatment of those of lower castes. Certainly not saying all Hindus, but I have seen it happen.

 

[SomeRandom]

I have seen some higher caste Hindus outside India (in Europe) draw on notions of caste to justify their unequal/unfair treatment of those of lower castes. Certainly not saying all Hindus, but I have seen it happen.

Well, I was speaking generally.

 

[paarsurrey]

Namaste,
In Fiji we consider this idea that if one decides to become a Pundit or Purohita in life then they must demonstrate their efficiency with Shastras and must lead a lifestyle which is considered "Brahmin" (Includes vegetarian, Ahimsa, Abstinence from Alcohol, Satvic, Nishkama, Satya and a overall Dharmic lifestyle and Punya Karma), so anyone can choose to become a Priest but must change their outlook and lifestyle so that they can concentrate specifically on the job. There are many priests in Fiji that people consider as just Pundit but not Brahmin, these 2 concepts should not be equated.
Brahmin includes not working in other Chatur Varnas, such as Politics, Business, farming ect, Not owning material wealth is a big part of the Brahmin Varna for us, and that is why many Pundits who are Brahmin Varna are actually making a conscious decisions of poverty, now in this Modern day and age this is not practical, therefore Purohits/Pundits can have Jobs but if they choose to be Pundits/Purohits they still must demonstrate that they can be Brahmin, Which is leading a Satvic life.
This is a basic principal followed by many Indian-Fijian-Hindus even here in Australia, as there seems to be no Caste among Hindus here.
Now this is not set in stone, nor is Brahmin ever Born of a Brahmin, this is the original idea. In Fiji we follow a system prior to Birth based Caste system of modern India (as Many Indian Hindus arrived in Fiji during the early years of British rule and were not much influenced by the Caste distinctions devised by the Brits), which is the original Varna system, which is based on the Guna and Karma (as we get advised by Shri Krishna in the Gita) rather then birth.
It is because of their Karma and Guna that Brahmins are respected.

Please support your viewpoint from Yajurveda. Right? Kindly
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Please support your viewpoint from Yajurveda. Right? Kindly
Regards

You have been told that Hindus are not obsessed with scripture. Are you doubting their sincerity?