paarsurrey
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I am not hostile to them. I just say they don't have any positive reason for Atheism. Please
Regards
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Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?
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I take it that you sincerely believe that God wants literally everyone to accept His existence and submit to His plan, and therefore there must ultimately be no significant differences among the religions?
And part of that is that Atheism is undeniably wrong even if the people themselves, the atheists, might perhaps be worth of some respect and sympathy?
From my perspective, that is giving way too much importance to the idea of deity, at the expense of respect for religion proper and for atheism and atheists.
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I understand from@Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please
The Quran has no logical ordering either. It is roughly longest to shortest, but doesn't strictly follow this ordering. No chronology, not based on subject matter.
If it is not a problem for the Quran, why is it a problem for the Vedas?
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Distorting what I said is very dishonest of you. I said you view religions as meaningless if they don't teach in line with what yours does. I didn't say "religions based on holy revealed scripture", and you deliberately ignored the conditionality of said presumed worthlessness.
Please quote from the Gathas in support of Zoroastrians not preserving what Ahura Mazda said or wrote.
No, their downfall was caused by very mundane factors such as the weakening of the Sassanid Empire through decades of war with the Eastern Roman Empire and a subsequent devastating plague which left Persia vulnerable to the invading armies of Islam - and subsequent religious persecution by the Muslim authorities.
Innate prejudice inherent to paarsurrey's point of view.
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paarsurrey
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As of me and the Truthful Religion, every human being of whatever religion or no religion by default is respectful and must be respected, one does not have to earn respect, as is the contemporary wrong notion of some no-religion people..
I not only respect but I love Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism people as I love people of all religions or of my own Ahmadiyya Muslim people. This does not hinder me from discussing the issues, religious or not-religious, for the good of global humanity.
I like the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism that they bring about the religious people to reason, no harm in it, but reason has a limit to go beyond its limit it becomes gibberish, its wings get burnt, refuses to go beyond or guide or lead to. It is the stage where Revelation can one take along, this is my point and I have many times expressed it here and am pleased to repeat for my good friend. If Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism had had a united symbol, I would have definitely inculded it in the symbols of religions in my post, but alas! they don't have any. kindly don't be angry, I always value your wisdom. Please
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this to summarize:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5 friend
@Madhuri Post #4 ,friend
@ratikala post #15 , friend
@Sunstone post #9
, and friend
@SomeRandom post #16 describes, "But I tend to interpret things metaphorically rather than most traditional Hindus. But even still how can we possibly fathom the true form? The idols may contain the presence or energy or whatever one wishes to call it of the Nameless formless one, but they are still approximations"
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, God and gods are different things.Friend
@Madhuri Post #87 God is the source of the gods. And I think it says in the text that the Supreme God IS Hiranyagarbha; not that the Supreme God is created from the egg.These parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from
@Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please
11.I understand from some posts that there are some "contradictions and differences" in Veda.In such a voluminous scriptures this was inevitable due to the human factor. If friends agree then the ones who are in line with the common sense and or with Quran those would be retained and the others will be compressed but references provided in the footnotes, so that those interested could access them and read them. Post #561, #565 .
12. Vedas were revealed on Rishis, and rishis are one's senses and also one's satguru, friend
@atanu told us in post #28. If he is right, and there is no reason of him being wrong, then everybody having senses could understand and interpret Veda and Veda is for him , Brhamin or Shudra or Daulit or untouchanble or anybody/everybody else in any part of the world or whatever religion. Right? Please
13.We get clue from post #18 from friend
@Satyamavejayanti , and post #19 from friend
@HarihOm that there are no myths in the Vedas. Also as per post #23
and post #24 and as per the statement quoted from Wikipedia by friend @Jainarayan which has a sentence that "n popular use, a myth can be a collectively held belief that has no basis in fact ".(please correct me if I am wrong), unless it is allegoric and for this a set principle is laid down in Veda. If not, only some representative ones will be included the "Compressed Veda" an for others references will be given.
Regards
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this to summarize:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5 friend
, and friend
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, God and gods are different things.Friend
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from
11.I understand from some posts that there are some "contradictions and differences" in Veda.In such a voluminous scriptures this was inevitable due to the human factor. If friends agree then the ones who are in line with the common sense and or with Quran those would be retained and the others will be compressed but references provided in the footnotes, so that those interested could access them and read them. Post #561, #565 .
12. Vedas were revealed on Rishis, and rishis are one's senses and also one's satguru, friend
13.We get clue from post #18 from friend
and post #24 and as per the statement quoted from Wikipedia by friend @Jainarayan which has a sentence that "n popular use, a myth can be a collectively held belief that has no basis in fact ".(please correct me if I am wrong), unless it is allegoric and for this a set principle is laid down in Veda. If not, only some representative ones will be included the "Compressed Veda" an for others references will be given.
Regards
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Still awful. A whole lot of biases, condensing things that ought not to be condensed and ultimately an insult to the original.Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this to summarize:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5 friend@Madhuri Post #4 ,friend@ratikala post #15 , friend@Sunstone post #9
, and friend@SomeRandom post #16 describes, "But I tend to interpret things metaphorically rather than most traditional Hindus. But even still how can we possibly fathom the true form? The idols may contain the presence or energy or whatever one wishes to call it of the Nameless formless one, but they are still approximations"
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, God and gods are different things.Friend@Madhuri Post #87 God is the source of the gods. And I think it says in the text that the Supreme God IS Hiranyagarbha; not that the Supreme God is created from the egg.These parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from@Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please
11.I understand from some posts that there are some "contradictions and differences" in Veda.In such a voluminous scriptures this was inevitable due to the human factor. If friends agree then the ones who are in line with the common sense and or with Quran those would be retained and the others will be compressed but references provided in the footnotes, so that those interested could access them and read them. Post #561, #565 .
12. Vedas were revealed on Rishis, and rishis are one's senses and also one's satguru, friend@atanu told us in post #28. If he is right, and there is no reason of him being wrong, then everybody having senses could understand and interpret Veda and Veda is for him , Brhamin or Shudra or Daulit or untouchanble or anybody/everybody else in any part of the world or whatever religion. Right? Please
13.We get clue from post #18 from friend@Satyamavejayanti , and post #19 from friend@HarihOm that there are no myths in the Vedas, unless it is allegoric and for this a set principle is laid down in Veda. If not, only some representitive ones will be included the "Compressed Veda" an for others references will be given.
Regards
I don't know how accurate that association is, but fair enough.
Again, fair enough... but one can't help but notice that much as you strive to be respectful towards atheists, you have a whole lot of rejection of atheism for no apparent good reason.
I'm not sure what you mean here.
Revelation is certainly popular with some groups. Many other people feel that it is not a proper answer to human needs, though.
There are atheist symbols, but I don't think that is much of an issue.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
RigVeda cannot be compressed. Either one reads it or does not. Rather than a compressed RigVeda, you can have excerpts from RigVeda or any other book. If brahmins wanted the others not to read from Vedas, then their purpose was defeated by Prince Darashikoh, Emperor Shahjahan’s son. It was first translated in his time (I do not know if in full or parts of it). Then the Europeans (British and German Indologists) found manuscripts, learnt Sanskrit, read and translated Vedas, giving probably the best translations. Their efforts are available on internet. I refer to them constantly.
That is correct.
That is nice. But if you remove verses, then again, it is excerpts.
What do you mean by compress? What you are talking about is omission of verses. That makes the result a collection of excerpts. There is a time for ahimsa and there is a time when ‘himsa’ is necessary. I do not know where did you get this idea that Vedas oppose a just war? If for example and as they have done in the past, Pakistan attacks India, should we surrender our arms? Definitely not, we will fight with them to the best of our might to defeat them.
If you do not know Sanskrit and if you are sincere (many people have doubts about that, but not me), then the right thing is to learn modern Sanskrit and Vedic Sanskrit. Many Europeans indologists did that. They were dedicated to their enterprise. For example Griffith’s translation gives the Sanskrit original, transliteration as well as translation. Do not depend on other people. Do it yourself.
That is SomeRandoms’s view. Other people may have different views. Why should Vedas be considered metaphorically? Of course, there are such instances, instances of metaphor, but a researcher has to give reason why he/she considers it a metaphor and which hymn/verse should be taken to be literal. That is scholarship.
Of course, you can omit hymns/verses, but as I said, it would then be a book of excerpts.
Of course not, it is wrong. It is a bias towards Hiranyagarbha Sukta. There are other hymns which say different things. The second verse of the first hymn of the first book of RigVeda says that Agni will bring other Gods to the Yajna. Why should that be omitted?
It was never a book till the time writing came to us and it was fixed, canonized. It was oral tradition. People learnt portions of it. That is why we have Dwivedis (those who have learnt two Vedas), Trivedis (those who have learnt three Vedas) and Chaturvedis (who have learnt all four). In olden time it was not rote learning, it is not that even now. What one reads has to be understood. I think even in olden times, people specialized in particular Vedas. Learning all of them (Vedas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads, the four parts of Vedas) is hell of a job.
They were generally organised in form of families. For example, my family, the Vasishthas, is credited for Book 7 of RigVeda. Sure, try to arrange it in the way you want. No problem.
Again any omission means bias. It is going to be your effort, so do whatever you think is right. It is your baby. Who are we to say yes or no? Why is it necessary for Vedas to follow what Quran says? Your commonsense may be termed by others as foolishness. Don’t put too much faith on your commonsense.
Wrong. That is one view. The other view is that they were poems created by Aryan priests/rishis in praise of their Gods and Goddesses. What someone else may take as satguru, may not be accepted by some other person. People have their biases, though I would not comment on member Atanu. You are embarking on such a grand project. At least spell the words correctly. I find that two of the three words here are wrongly spelled – Brahmin, Dalit. Even untouchable is wrongly spelled. Kindly see that your magnum-opus does not contain so many spelling mistakes. Dalit is a recent political word. There were no untouchables in olden times. Lord Rama embraced Nishada as a friend, ate berries tasted by Shabari, and Lord Krishna ate even the banana peels given by Sage Vidura’s wife, who was a Shudra. As you know, the Vedas were complied by Sage VedaVyasa and Ramayana was written by Valmiki, both of whom were Shudras. Even in the modern times, a huge number of Shudras are considered sages in Hinduism. In many Hindu sects there is no concept of caste.
Well, it is their view. Others may have different views. But as I said, the project is your baby. You have the right to do it in any way you like.
Well Paarsurrey, we have heard much yakariyak-bla-bla, yakariyak-bla-bla from you. We have replied to all your questions. Now get on with your great enterprise, otherwise you are never going to finish it. You will need a reincarnation to complete the work, remember there is no guarantee that you will be born as a human in the next life, it is possible that you might be born as a mouse or a cockroach.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this to summarize:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5 friend
@Madhuri Post #4 ,friend
@ratikala post #15 , friend
@Sunstone post #9
, and friend
@SomeRandom post #16 describes, "But I tend to interpret things metaphorically rather than most traditional Hindus. But even still how can we possibly fathom the true form? The idols may contain the presence or energy or whatever one wishes to call it of the Nameless formless one, but they are still approximations"
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, God and gods are different things.Friend
@Madhuri Post #87 God is the source of the gods. And I think it says in the text that the Supreme God IS Hiranyagarbha; not that the Supreme God is created from the egg.These parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from
@Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please
11.I understand from some posts that there are some "contradictions and differences" in Veda.In such a voluminous scriptures this was inevitable due to the human factor. If friends agree then the ones who are in line with the common sense and or with Quran those would be retained and the others will be compressed but references provided in the footnotes, so that those interested could access them and read them. Post #561, #565 .
12. Vedas were revealed on Rishis, and rishis are one's senses and also one's satguru, friend
@atanu told us in post #28. If he is right, and there is no reason of him being wrong, then everybody having senses could understand and interpret Veda and Veda is for him , Brhamin or Shudra or Daulit or untouchanble or anybody/everybody else in any part of the world or whatever religion. Right? Please
13.We get clue from post #18 from friend
@Satyamavejayanti , and post #19 from friend
@HarihOm that there are no myths in the Vedas. Also as per post #23
and post #24 and as per the statement quoted from Wikipedia by friend @Jainarayan which has a sentence that "n popular use, a myth can be a collectively held belief that has no basis in fact ".(please correct me if I am wrong), unless it is allegoric and for this a set principle is laid down in Veda. If not, only some representative ones will be included in the "Compressed Veda" and for others references will be given. Right? Please
14. The imperfect Gods mentioned in Veda no more fight, may be they got perfected, or they have killed one another so the verses in which these have been mentioned in Veda and implored for help by the priestly class and the sacrifices offered to them are no more needed. Such places/verses need to be compressed and only some representative ones will be included in the "Compressed Veda" and for others references will be given. Right? Please
Regards
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this to summarize:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5 friend
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7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, God and gods are different things.Friend
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from
11.I understand from some posts that there are some "contradictions and differences" in Veda.In such a voluminous scriptures this was inevitable due to the human factor. If friends agree then the ones who are in line with the common sense and or with Quran those would be retained and the others will be compressed but references provided in the footnotes, so that those interested could access them and read them. Post #561, #565 .
12. Vedas were revealed on Rishis, and rishis are one's senses and also one's satguru, friend
13.We get clue from post #18 from friend
and post #24 and as per the statement quoted from Wikipedia by friend @Jainarayan which has a sentence that "n popular use, a myth can be a collectively held belief that has no basis in fact ".(please correct me if I am wrong), unless it is allegoric and for this a set principle is laid down in Veda. If not, only some representative ones will be included in the "Compressed Veda" and for others references will be given. Right? Please
14. The imperfect Gods mentioned in Veda no more fight, may be they got perfected, or they have killed one another so the verses in which these have been mentioned in Veda and implored for help by the priestly class and the sacrifices offered to them are no more needed. Such places/verses need to be compressed and only some representative ones will be included in the "Compressed Veda" and for others references will be given. Right? Please
Regards
Who said that the gods no longer fight? I doubt that they have killed one another. If Indra was dead, for example, we would have no storms. If Vayu was dead, we would have no wind. If the gods are real, they are very much still alive.
People who want their material lives improved may pray and worship those gods. But people who are wishing to attain Moksha are recommended to focus on Realisation of God/Brahman/Bhagavan.
I hope that makes sense.
So now you're rewriting the Vedas. Interpretation is one thing. But to just claim that the "imperfect gods are not fighting anymore" is to just reject the paradigm they come from. Which is what ignorant Westerners do when they interpret Eastern ideas. Mind you at least Westerners are actually removed from said paradigm so they can actually claim ignorance.Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this to summarize:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5 friend@Madhuri Post #4 ,friend@ratikala post #15 , friend@Sunstone post #9
, and friend@SomeRandom post #16 describes, "But I tend to interpret things metaphorically rather than most traditional Hindus. But even still how can we possibly fathom the true form? The idols may contain the presence or energy or whatever one wishes to call it of the Nameless formless one, but they are still approximations"
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, God and gods are different things.Friend@Madhuri Post #87 God is the source of the gods. And I think it says in the text that the Supreme God IS Hiranyagarbha; not that the Supreme God is created from the egg.These parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from@Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please
11.I understand from some posts that there are some "contradictions and differences" in Veda.In such a voluminous scriptures this was inevitable due to the human factor. If friends agree then the ones who are in line with the common sense and or with Quran those would be retained and the others will be compressed but references provided in the footnotes, so that those interested could access them and read them. Post #561, #565 .
12. Vedas were revealed on Rishis, and rishis are one's senses and also one's satguru, friend@atanu told us in post #28. If he is right, and there is no reason of him being wrong, then everybody having senses could understand and interpret Veda and Veda is for him , Brhamin or Shudra or Daulit or untouchanble or anybody/everybody else in any part of the world or whatever religion. Right? Please
13.We get clue from post #18 from friend@Satyamavejayanti , and post #19 from friend@HarihOm that there are no myths in the Vedas. Also as per post #23
and post #24 and as per the statement quoted from Wikipedia by friend @Jainarayan which has a sentence that "n popular use, a myth can be a collectively held belief that has no basis in fact ".(please correct me if I am wrong), unless it is allegoric and for this a set principle is laid down in Veda. If not, only some representative ones will be included in the "Compressed Veda" and for others references will be given. Right? Please
14. The imperfect Gods mentioned in Veda no more fight, may be they got perfected, or they have killed one another so the verses in which these have been mentioned in Veda and implored for help by the priestly class and the sacrifices offered to them are no more needed. Such places/verses need to be compressed and only some representative ones will be included in the "Compressed Veda" and for others references will be given. Right? Please
Regards
This is actually getting sad now. This cause is not about informing people, it's about rewriting a scripture. That's just plain rude.
I think the proper word, even better in this stance than rewriting, is "erasure".
It is a stance of nitpicking and liberally choosing specific understandings of the text in order to abuse it and deny its worth even as one pays lip service to the task of "respecting" it.
Myself, I think a simple, honest admission of lack of interest in the texts is far more respectful than such hackjobs with such disrespectful agendas.
paarsurrey
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Proof that you do not understand our paradigm or why things are the way they are. You are trying to downplay the important aspects of the philosophy. For all your reading you seem to have been very shallow at interpreting.
paarsurrey
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I believe the feeling is rather mutual in these parts. In fact, it would make more sense if you said, "I don't agree with many,' or even 'I don't agree with all.'
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paarsurrey
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One did not answer the question. Did one? Please
I repeat them below:
Why did the Gods of Veda fight with one another and what for?
- Fighting by gods among themselves can never be appreciated and is unreasonable. Right? Please
- To implore such imperfect Gods is appreciating their actions and spoiling one's own character and spreading in the humanity at large and is also unreasonable.Right? Please
- We don't see any such fights among Gods as of now. Do we? Please
- So either they have achieved perfection and have become peaceful, it is reasonable Right? Please.
- Or since they were fighting, and ultimately the result of fights with animosity injures the other or in some or many cases the opponents die and if both injure each other severely then some times both could die, to think it is also reasonable.
I don't think Buddha mentioned any such fighting Gods. It is said commonly that Buddha did not believe in God. So why should he believe in Gods and more so the fighting Gods. It is not reasonable.
If Buddha did believe in such fighting Gods then please quote from him.
Buddhism people could believe such things by interpreting something from Buddha incorrectly from a lone verse here and there but definitely there is no mention of such fighting Gods by Buddha as frequently as we find in the Veda believers.
Right? Please
Regards