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Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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One did not answer the question. Did one? Please
I repeat them below:

Why did the Gods of Veda fight with one another and what for?
  1. Fighting by gods among themselves can never be appreciated and is unreasonable. Right? Please
  2. To implore such imperfect Gods is appreciating their actions and spoiling one's own character and spreading in the humanity at large and is also unreasonable.Right? Please
  3. We don't see any such fights among Gods as of now. Do we? Please
  4. So either they have achieved perfection and have become peaceful, it is reasonable Right? Please.
  5. Or since they were fighting, and ultimately the result of fights with animosity injures the other or in some or many cases the opponents die and if both injure each other severely then some times both could die, to think it is also reasonable.
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.
I don't think Buddha mentioned any such fighting Gods. It is said commonly that Buddha did not believe in God. So why should he believe in Gods and more so the fighting Gods. It is not reasonable.
If Buddha did believe in such fighting Gods then please quote from him.
Buddhism people could believe such things by interpreting something from Buddha incorrectly from a lone verse here and there but definitely there is no mention of such fighting Gods by Buddha as frequently as we find in the Veda believers.
Right? Please
Regards
Already did. You don't understand the paradigm. The gods all have strong personalities, they will fight. That's just how it is.
Buddhism is not Hinduism. They are siblings.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Already did. You don't understand the paradigm. The gods all have strong personalities, they will fight. That's just how it is.
Buddhism is not Hinduism. They are siblings.
Strong personalities are to do positive things like to create something. If they teach to humans to not harm others, then it is not befitting for them to harm others. Please
Regards
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Not even the most Hinduism people have read all the plethora of Hinduism scripture. It must have put the masses in Hinduism at a disadvantage and hence at the mercy of the narrators/scribes/clergy. Right? Please
Please correct me if I am wrong with your reasonable arguments.
Thread is open to everybody of any religion or no religion.
No disrespect intended to any person personally, please. I love all the revealed religions and their people. Please
Regards

A being is equipped with everything that they need within them. There it is once written. There it once re-written with garbage. Who can get back to its original writing?
 

von bek

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Strong personalities also clash. All the time. Fact of life mate.

I strongly agree. I am thinking of in the Iliad where we see the gods take different sides in the conflict. For example, Apollo defended Troy while Athena championed the Achaeans. Both Apollo and Athena are divinities of the highest order; they are refined, intelligent, powerful, and mighty benefactors of humanity. On the matter of Troy they are in disagreement. And that is one of the amazing things about the Trojan War as told by Homer, he tells a story of a massive war without depicting either side of the conflict as "good" or "bad". On the Trojan side, Paris was in the wrong for taking Helen; but, Hector is in the right for defending his family and city from the attacking Greeks. War is messy and morally complex.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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Strong personalities are to do positive things like to create something. If they teach to humans to not harm others, then it is not befitting for them to harm others. Please
Regards

The role of the gods is not to teach us things. They simply help maintain the universe. They are souls just like us and they are not perfect.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
The role of the gods is not to teach us things. They simply help maintain the universe. They are souls just like us and they are not perfect.
The Creator-One-God created the other Gods mentioned in Veda and assigned them the role to maintain the universe. Does one agree to it? Please
Regards
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
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The Creator-One-God created the other Gods mentioned in Veda and assigned them the role to maintain the universe. Does one agree to it? Please
Regards
Some people will agree, others will not.

Ultimately, that is an ambitious answer, but not an actually important one. Quite on the contrary, it has little if any practical significance.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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The Creator-One-God created the other Gods mentioned in Veda and assigned them the role to maintain the universe. Does one agree to it? Please
Regards

No, one doesn't agree. The three top deities, Shiva, Vishnu and Devi/Shakti (Universal/Divine Mother) are uncreated. They are Brahman, in whom everything that exists, exists in (whoa! that was trippy! o_O). In their various aspects they maintain the universe.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
No, one doesn't agree. The three top deities, Shiva, Vishnu and Devi/Shakti (Universal/Divine Mother) are uncreated. They are Brahman, in whom everything that exists, exists in (whoa! that was trippy! o_O). In their various aspects they maintain the universe.
I may easily be misunderstanding things, but my current understanding is that this is one valid view among various others - for instance, a Shakta might see Shiva and Vishnu and perhaps also Brahman as created by Shakti.

Those views are of course divergent. But is such divergence important?

Or perhaps I should rather ask whether there is a problem that needs solution in those divergences? I think not.

Those stances are meaningful and significant for the religious people who hold them, of course. But that in no way implies that they have any particular need to convince each other and reach some sort of consensus.

It may easily be that the existence of those contrasting views is in fact a good, even necessary thing. I suspect that it is indeed the case.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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I may easily be misunderstanding things, but my current understanding is that this is one valid view among various others - for instance, a Shakta might see Shiva and Vishnu and perhaps also Brahman as created by Shakti.

Yep.

Those views are of course divergent. But is such divergence important?

Nope. Everyone sees God/dess in their own way.

Or perhaps I should rather ask whether there is a problem that needs solution in those divergences? I think not.

Agreed. Imo it's a "who cares?" I mean, "can't we all just get along?"

Those stances are meaningful and significant for the religious people who hold them, of course. But that in no way implies that they have any particular need to convince each other and reach some sort of consensus.

Tru dat. I hate the sectarian-type "my god can beat up your god". What are we, 5th graders?

It may easily be that the existence of those contrasting views is in fact a good, even necessary thing. I suspect that it is indeed the case.

That's true too... as long as knives aren't drawn. :D
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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The Creator-One-God created the other Gods mentioned in Veda and assigned them the role to maintain the universe. Does one agree to it? Please
Regards

As you can see, different Hindus have different beliefs. I personally do believe in a single God, from which the other gods are manifested (and yes, that include Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva).
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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No, one doesn't agree. The three top deities, Shiva, Vishnu and Devi/Shakti (Universal/Divine Mother) are uncreated. They are Brahman, in whom everything that exists, exists in (whoa! that was trippy! o_O). In their various aspects they maintain the universe.

Depends on which scripture you get your info from. Unless what you mean is that they are manifested rather than created. In the Bhagavat Purana, there is a detailed description of how Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are manifested in the material universes from Maha Vishnu.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Depends on which scripture you get your info from. Unless what you mean is that they are manifested rather than created. In the Bhagavat Purana, there is a detailed description of how Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are manifested in the material universes from Maha Vishnu.
Don't forget about us Shaktis! The supreme is the female aspect with the masculine aspect complimenting and completing the divine (or universe or what have you.);)
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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Some people will agree, others will not.

Ultimately, that is an ambitious answer, but not an actually important one. Quite on the contrary, it has little if any practical significance.

From the Hindu perspective I think it probably is important. Worshiping the gods for material benedictions vs meditation and worship of God for Realisation/Enlightenment are very different goals.
 
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