Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

[SomeRandom]

There is no religion as "Hinduism", it is conglomerate of many religions as they themselves have admitted and told. "Hinduism" is a misnomer and a blanket term of many religions. It is for this that I have classified it, as is already done by others, as Pre-Vedic Period, Vedic Period and Post Vedic periods. Many of the so called "Hindu" denominations don't even believe in Veda, as they have told and admitted, so unless each one of them identifies as to which denomination one belongs and about its belief or no belief in Veda and other core tenets one holds, they have no case to contend collectively as "Hindu" is a secular term connected with a region not with the religion. Please
Regards

What the hell are you babbling about? Hindus, actual practicing self identifying Hindus have all (regardless of denomination) repeatedly called you out for misinformation, misrepresentation and lack of actually understanding them. It does not matter if they all have different beliefs, they are all Hindu. The Vedas is a Hindu scripture,that does not automatically mean it will hold the same value for all Hindus, but it's still Hindu scripture.
All HINDUS on this forum have repeatedly corrected you and you ignore them, showing an utter lack of common decency.
Shesh, rude much.

 

[Vinayaka]

There is no religion as "Hinduism",

There is no such places as Istanbul, Mumbai, Chennai, or St. Petersburg either. They do not exist, period. Only Constantinople, Bombay, Madras, and Leningrad exist. Sheesh, everyone knows that.

 

[paarsurrey]

Veda Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.

The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please

Regards

#228,229,230, 345, #315,#391,410, #458

 

[Jainarayan]

I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.

How many times are you going to post this offal? We saw this the first 50 times, and we disagreed with it 52 times, giving 57 reasons why it's offal.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

How many times are you going to post this offal? We saw this the first 50 times, and we disagreed with it 52 times, giving 57 reasons why it's offal.

I'm getting very close to not following this thread anymore, I have to say. I don't know why we persevere!

 

[paarsurrey]

@Jainarayan
Till such time I finish my study of Veda and start doing the actual work of compressing it. The points being discussed and that appeal me to be useful will be continuously added now and then and the revised blueprint prepared and posted in this thread. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Veda Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.

The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from @Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please

Regards

#458

 

[SomeRandom]

Veda Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.

The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from @Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please

Regards

#458

Do you just hate our scripture, us or are you just so filled with hubris that any sense of respect is foreign to you?
Your so called blueprints continues to make a farce out of our scripture. Twisting it and bending it like it's nothing more than clay instead of what it's supposed to be. A volume of ancient wisdom to be soaked up.
This is nothing but Newsspeak sir.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.at Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5

Bravo, I like your idea. Do that. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Bravo, I like your idea. Do that. Please
Regards

I appreciate. I knew ultimately people will support the "Veda- The Compressed One", Veda has not been spread in the world as Quran and Bible has been. I think I told one of my posts that I was a prophecy in Quran that in the time of the End-Time-Reformer as a sign of his truthfulness and so that people could most benefit from him (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) the religious scriptures of nation will be published and spread far and wide:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 81: Al-Takwir

[81:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[81:2] When the sun is wrapped up,
[81:3] And when the stars are obscured,
[81:4] And when the mountains are made to move,
[81:5] And when the she-camels, tenmonth pregnant, are abandoned,
[81:6] And when the beasts are gathered together,
[81:7] And when the seas are made to flow forth one into the other,
[81:9] And when the girl-child buried alive is questioned about,
[81:10] ‘For what crime was she killed?’
[81:11] And when books are spread abroad.*
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=81&verse=11

*Meaning religious books/scriptures will be spread in the world, far and wide.

All scriptures support one another, if correctly understood; and Veda but supports Quran.
I appreciate one. Hope others will also! Please
And I value support of my friends, please.

Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Veda Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.

The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from

@Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please
11.Friend

@Jainarayan , correct me if I am wrong, has told in one of the posts that Veda has got contradictions and differences in it. In such a voluminous scriptures this was inevitable due to the human interference with it. If friends agree then the ones who are in line with the common sense and or with Quran those would be retained and the others will be compressed but references provided in the footnotes, so that those interested could access them and read them.

Regards
#458 +#17 +#19

 

[Jainarayan]

due to the human interference with it.

The Vedas were not "interfered with" by humans.

And for the record, this is my last comment on the subject. You are going 'round and 'round with this and trying to fit that proverbial square peg into a round hole.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Vedas were not "interfered with" by humans.
And for the record, this is my last comment on the subject. You are going 'round and 'round with this and trying to fit that proverbial square peg into a round hole.

I don't agree with one. They dovetail perfectly, as another proverb suggests. Roundness is a symbol, as I understand, of unity and oneness. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You are going 'round and 'round with this and trying to fit that proverbial square peg into a round hole.

There is a lot of that on this forum.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Vedas were not "interfered with" by humans.
And for the record, this is my last comment on the subject. You are going 'round and 'round with this and trying to fit that proverbial square peg into a round hole.

I don't agree with one.
I am on the straight and right path which passes from Mecca and goes around the Earth. And just because Earth is round, as per Quran and also perhaps Veda, yet not as per Atheism because they have no scripture of their own, so friend

@Aupmanyav who may see from his Arctic ancient home and thinks that I am moving round and round. Also form Bharat it looks like I am moving in a circle, yet I am sure that I am on the straight right path as defined By Quran and supported by Veda if understood truthfully. Right? Please
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Is it that hard to differentiate scripture from religion, and morality from religion?

 

[Madhuri]

Till such time I finish my study of Veda and start doing the actual work of compressing it. The points being discussed and that appeal me to be useful will be continuously added now and then and the revised blueprint prepared and posted in this thread. Please
Regards

I personally don't think that the Vedas need compressing. I don't think that the Vedas have been modified or corrupted so far so I discourage any act of doing so by you or any other.

 

[paarsurrey]

All posters of whatever religion are no religion are open to give their reasons and arguments on one or more points given in updated post#551 , presently ten of them , more could be added or the previous one/s deleted as the arguments lead to. It is a friendly discussion , not against any individual or person. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

I was told here that not all Hinduism (Dharmic) people believe in Veda or feel its needed for their religion, so in this sense they have compressed the Veda to nil and of course other religions and no-religions have compressed the Veda already to Zero by not having faith in it. Muslims respect Veda and Ahmadiyya Muslims believe that originally it was truthful but due to centuries time lapsed it has lost its originality due to many factors.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Veda Scripture- The Compressed One

I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.

The latest on the blueprint of the above is like this:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references will be provided so that one who wants to go to detailed study of Veda could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primarily derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, It will be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating to that effect.
3.I have read Yajurveda from cover to cover . I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 ,#43, in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Veda believers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5 friend

@Madhuri Post #4 ,friend

@ratikala post #15 , friend

@Sunstone post #9
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, God and gods are different things.Friend

@Madhuri Post #87 God is the source of the gods. And I think it says in the text that the Supreme God IS Hiranyagarbha; not that the Supreme God is created from the egg.These parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
9. Veda was once one book in terms of post #31 , #65 this way it will become one again from the four or many Vedas 105 .
Anybody, please
10. I understand from

@Aupmanyav that the hymns of Veda have no chronological order, and (now my opinion) perhaps not even arranged subject-wise or under any system commanded by Brahman and are in a haphazard form. I would like some system in their arrangement and will like some suggestions to this effect for the Compressed Veda. Please
11.Friend

@Jainarayan , correct me if I am wrong, has told in one of the posts that Veda has got contradictions and differences in it. In such a voluminous scriptures this was inevitable due to the human interference with it. If friends agree then the ones who are in line with the common sense and or with Quran those would be retained and the others will be compressed but references provided in the footnotes, so that those interested could access them and read them. Post #561, #565 .
12. Vedas were revealed on Rishis, and rishis are one's senses and also one's satguru, friend @atanu told us in post #28. If he is right, and there is no reason of him being wrong, then everybody having senses could understand and interpret Veda and Veda is for him , Brhamin or Shudra or Daulit or untouchanble or anybody/everybody else in any part of the world of whatever religion. Right? Please


Regards
#458 +#17