Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

[SomeRandom]

Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
(Please not a new point added at serial 5 below)

I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.

The revised planning/blueprint of it is like:

1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references provided so that one who wants to go in detail could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as one knows and now I nearing its end. It has total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 , in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Vedic readers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.

Anybody, please

Regards

#228,229,230, 345, #315,#391,410, #458

Still against it. Trimming off "repetitive" verses is like getting rid of the repetitive uses of phrase in Homer's Odyssey or trimming back The Canturbury Tales. No, just no. Just ewww! Leave the flavour intact please. Repetition is common in prose, especially poetry. Rhythm and cadence, rhythm and cadence. It just seems like a step away from Newsspeak. Like gross.

It also appears you have a clear bias. "One God." Such bias goes against an objective translation let alone a "compression." Nope. Too many issues, too little respect and too much trimming. Nope, terrible just simply terrible.

 

[paarsurrey]

Still against it. Trimming off "repetitive" verses is like getting rid of the repetitive uses of phrase in Homer's Odyssey or trimming back The Canturbury Tales. No, just no. Just ewww! Leave the flavour intact please. Repetition is common in prose, especially poetry. Rhythm and cadence, rhythm and cadence. It just seems like a step away from Newsspeak. Like gross.
It also appears you have a clear bias. "One God." Such bias goes against an objective translation let alone a "compression." Nope. Too many issues, too little respect and too much trimming. Nope, terrible just simply terrible.

One ignores the good intent. Is it bad to renovate/revive an old monument and restore its original luster and grandeur? Veda was originally one and hence it could be narrated verbally in a convenient time span. The clergy denied its access to the masses and under their monopoly on it added things into it and hence it became too voluminous. My intention is to make it concise under the compressed Veda. It will be a very popular compressed Veda, millions will benefit from it. I will give the references of the things compressed, anybody after reading it could decompress to read the full version if he has got the time.
I am confident that ultimately as friends here would realize its benefit to the humanity, they will give their positive and valuable suggestions and provide all possible assistance to complete it.
Veda will be one volume again, that is my intention.
Could you believe it they have invented many Vedas in the name of Veda? There is an "Archery Veda"! One could Google it and find it.
Thanks for your input.
Regards

 

[SomeRandom]

One ignores the good intent. Is it bad to renovate/revive an old monument and restore its original luster and grandeur? Veda was originally one and hence it could be narrated verbally in a convenient time span. The clergy denied its access to the masses and under their monopoly on it added things into it and hence it became too voluminous. My intention is to make it concise under the compressed Veda. It will be a very popular compressed Veda, millions will benefit from it. I will give the references of the things compressed, anybody after reading it could decompress to read the full version if he has got the time.
I am confident that ultimately as friends here would realize its benefit to the humanity, they will give their positive and valuable suggestions and provide all possible assistance to completed it.
Veda would be one volume again, that is my intention.
Could you believe it they have invented many Vedas in the name of Veda? There is an "Archery Veda"! One could Google it and find it.
Thanks for your input.
Regards

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, sir. Do not forget that.

We live in the age of information. If one is sincere, then one will read the original Vedas without such input from, forgive me, an outsider. Let them. Leave them to it.

If you want to do this, no one will stand in your way. But that will not mean there are no objections.

 

[Vinayaka]

But that will not mean there are no objections.

There may be lots objections, but there won't be any buyers.

 

[paarsurrey]

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, sir. Do not forget that.
We live in the age of information. If one is sincere, then one will read the original Vedas without such input from, forgive me, an outsider. Let them. Leave them to it.
If you want to do this, no one will stand in your way. But that will not mean there are no objections.

Reasonable objection are/will be welcome. That will improve the compressed Veda, the next edition will look into them. I believe Unity in diversity, one can find the Truth in different opinions and present the Truth again in fresh radiance. It is for this that I started this thread. Anybody and everybody should give their reasonable opinions/differences or endorsement of planned "Compressed Veda". It will increase knowledge in Veda and likewise result to improvement of the humanity or world-community at large. Why restrict it to one region or people?
My religion supports the idea. There is a prophecy in Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 81: Al-Takwir التّکویر

[81:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[81:2] When the sun is wrapped up,
[81:3] And when the stars are obscured,
[81:4] And when the mountains are made to move,
[81:5] And when the she-camels, tenmonth pregnant, are abandoned,
[81:6] And when the beasts are gathered together,
[81:7] And when the seas are made to flow forth one into the other,
[81:8] And when people are brought together,
[81:9] And when the girl-child buried alive is questioned about,
[81:10] ‘For what crime was she killed?’
[81:11] And when books* are spread abroad.
[81:12] And when the heaven is laid bare,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=81&verse=11
*The Holy Books of the religions that were confined to the specific regions of the ethnicities these will get spread out world-wide. Please

So, it is a positive work I am set to do, G-d/YHVH/Ahura-Mazda/Brahman/Waheguru willing. Everybody should support and assist me, no compulsion however, whatsoever, please. Right?Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

There may be lots objections, but there won't be any buyers.

I am sure you will buy one, or I may send it to you as a gift, no compulsion however whatsoever. Please
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

With all due respect, @paarsurrey:

Hindus have been exposed to Muslim perspectives for well over a whole millenium now. Even after the partition from Pakistan (and now Bangladesh) there are still about 180 million Muslims in India alone. I trust that quite a few of them are willing and able of spreading the word of the Qur'an.

So it is not like there are very many unexplored approaches left to reach out for Hindus and convince them to come closer to the supposed truth of the Qur'an.

 

[RabbiO]

One ignores the good intent.......

Regards

If I was guided only by self interest I would not interject myself here. After all, the more time you spend on Hinduism is less time that you have to spew the senseless drivel that you imagine to be meaningful insight about Jews, Judaism and Jewish scripture.

You have shown yourself time and again to be ignorant about any religion not your own. Despite your repeated protestations about love and respect, you repeatedly show disdain and disrespect toward religions not your own. You consistently manage to demonstrate hate, ignorance, arrogance and stupidity. No matter how often you are shown that you are wrong - no matter how often you are told that your efforts are misguided, unnecessary and unwanted - you persist in believing that you, a Muslim, are here to show the way, are here to save the day.

You may not want to believe it, but the Uriah Heep* pose has grown old and stale. You've said too much.


*(If you don't know who Uriah Heep is, read David Copperfield - the novel, not the magician.)

 

[Vinayaka]

I am sure you will buy one, or I may send it to you as a gift, no compulsion however whatsoever. Please
Regards

You would have to pay me ... lots. But like all people who believe their work will be published, only about one in a thousand, probably less do get published. So good luck with that. (sarcasm)

 

[atanu]

Reasonable objection are/will be welcome. That will improve the compressed Veda, the next edition will look into them. I believe Unity in diversity, one can find the Truth in different opinions and present the Truth again in fresh radiance. It is for this that I started this thread. Anybody and everybody should give their reasonable opinions/differences or endorsement of planned "Compressed Veda". It will increase knowledge in Veda and likewise result to improvement of the humanity or world-community at large. Why restrict it to one region or people?
My religion supports the idea. There is a prophecy in Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 81: Al-Takwir التّکویر

[81:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[81:2] When the sun is wrapped up,
[81:3] And when the stars are obscured,
[81:4] And when the mountains are made to move,
[81:5] And when the she-camels, tenmonth pregnant, are abandoned,
[81:6] And when the beasts are gathered together,
[81:7] And when the seas are made to flow forth one into the other,
[81:8] And when people are brought together,
[81:9] And when the girl-child buried alive is questioned about,
[81:10] ‘For what crime was she killed?’
[81:11] And when books* are spread abroad.
[81:12] And when the heaven is laid bare,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=81&verse=11
*The Holy Books of the religions that were confined to the specific regions of the ethnicities these will get spread out world-wide. Please

So, it is a positive work I am set to do, G-d/YHVH/Ahura-Mazda/Brahman/Waheguru willing. Everybody should support and assist me, no compulsion however, whatsoever, please. Right?Please
Regards

You are possibly delusional and require medication.

 

[Vinayaka]

You are possibly delusional and require medication.

possibly?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.

Just to clarify, which parts of the Vedas are you saying must be given preference over anything else?

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.

Just to clarify, which parts of the Vedas are you saying must be given preference over anything else?

"Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS Of G-d

God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else. All other concepts are of lesser importance, should be read within this primary concept and could be compressed to any length or even ignored. Right? Please"
Regards

 

[The_Fisher_King]

paarsurrey said: ↑
We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.


"Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS Of G-d

God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else. All other concepts are of lesser importance, should be read within this primary concept and could be compressed to any length or even ignored. Right? Please"
Regards

Not right. Why the Yajurveda and why do you single out this one verse of the Yajurveda and insist that that must be the criterion by which to decide what is more or less important for inclusion in your version of the Vedas? Why not the Rigveda?

 

[Vinayaka]

That's what people do with scripture ... they select the verses that fit their own pre-existing agenda. Anti-Christians choose the worst from the Bible, alcoholics choose the references to wine, etc. etc. The people for or against pretty much any religion can select stuff that suits them.

The far more common stuff from the anti-Hindu crowd comes from the supposed 'Laws of Manu'.

Now ... the bigger person sees it for what it is ... mind games attached to ego and that 'my way is better than your way' syndrome, and this is precisely why Hindus don't put a great deal of emphasis on scripture.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

That's what people do with scripture ... they select the verses that fit their own pre-existing agenda. Anti-Christians choose the worst from the Bible, alcoholics choose the references to wine, etc. etc. The people for or against pretty much any religion can select stuff that suits them.

The far more common stuff from the anti-Hindu crowd comes from the supposed 'Laws of Manu'.

Now ... the bigger person sees it for what it is ... mind games attached to ego and that 'my way is better than your way' syndrome, and this is precisely why Hindus don't put a great deal of emphasis on scripture.

I think we all interpret holy texts (whether 'our own' or 'of others'), oral tradition and other bases for our beliefs and practices in our own ways. But we should all be open to suitably respectful challenge, and to explain the rationale for thinking as we do. Clearly paarsurrey has an agenda here. But so do I. And so do you.

I agree that attachment to ego is the great stumbling-block to self-awareness (easier said than done to overcome, though!). And I also agree that holy texts only go so far (and we should ultimately let go of them too).

 

[SomeRandom]

Reasonable objection are/will be welcome. That will improve the compressed Veda, the next edition will look into them. I believe Unity in diversity, one can find the Truth in different opinions and present the Truth again in fresh radiance. It is for this that I started this thread. Anybody and everybody should give their reasonable opinions/differences or endorsement of planned "Compressed Veda". It will increase knowledge in Veda and likewise result to improvement of the humanity or world-community at large. Why restrict it to one region or people?
My religion supports the idea. There is a prophecy in Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 81: Al-Takwir التّکویر

[81:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[81:2] When the sun is wrapped up,
[81:3] And when the stars are obscured,
[81:4] And when the mountains are made to move,
[81:5] And when the she-camels, tenmonth pregnant, are abandoned,
[81:6] And when the beasts are gathered together,
[81:7] And when the seas are made to flow forth one into the other,
[81:8] And when people are brought together,
[81:9] And when the girl-child buried alive is questioned about,
[81:10] ‘For what crime was she killed?’
[81:11] And when books* are spread abroad.
[81:12] And when the heaven is laid bare,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=81&verse=11
*The Holy Books of the religions that were confined to the specific regions of the ethnicities these will get spread out world-wide. Please

So, it is a positive work I am set to do, G-d/YHVH/Ahura-Mazda/Brahman/Waheguru willing. Everybody should support and assist me, no compulsion however, whatsoever, please. Right?Please
Regards

I'm not restricting it at all. People are free to read the Vedas whenever they please from wherever they live. Age of information is just that. We have the world's information at our fingertips 24/7. Literally! You can do whatever you like.
But I have only seen objections and declarations of gross misunderstandings of Hinduism (it's culture, philosophy and theology) levied against you. So this insistence of yours to do this against the wishes of practicing Hindus is beyond disrespectful at this point.

 

[Vinayaka]

I think we all interpret holy texts (whether 'our own' or 'of others'), oral tradition and other bases for our beliefs and practices in our own ways.

Pretty hard to interpret other's texts if you don't read them though.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Pretty hard to interpret other's texts if you don't read them though.

There is that!

 

[paarsurrey]

I'm not restricting it at all. People are free to read the Vedas whenever they please from wherever they live. Age of information is just that. We have the world's information at our fingertips 24/7. Literally! You can do whatever you like.
But I have only seen objections and declarations of gross misunderstandings of Hinduism (it's culture, philosophy and theology) levied against you. So this insistence of yours to do this against the wishes of practicing Hindus is beyond disrespectful at this point.

There is no religion as "Hinduism", it is conglomerate of many religions as they themselves have admitted and told. "Hinduism" is a misnomer and a blanket term of many religions. It is for this that I have classified it, as is already done by others, as Pre-Vedic Period, Vedic Period and Post Vedic periods. Many of the so called "Hindu" denominations don't even believe in Veda, as they have told and admitted, so unless each one of them identifies as to which denomination one belongs and about its belief or no belief in Veda and other core tenets one holds, they have no case to contend collectively as "Hindu" is a secular term connected with a region not with the religion. Please
Regards