Of course, the question would then come of whether people could trust such a condensed Qur'an. Or, for that matter, understand it.
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Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?
- Thread starter paarsurrey
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Quite.
paarsurrey
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The remedy of not knowing is only knowing . I don't exactly understand your point. Please
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If one wishes to understand the essence of the Vedas, one simply needs to read the Bhagavad Gita. Without the commentaries, it's a small scripture.
paarsurrey
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Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The revised planning/blueprint of it is like:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references provided so that one who wants to go in detail could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as one knows and now I nearing its end. It has total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 , in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Vedic readers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
7. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
Anybody, please
Regards
#228,229,230, 345, #315,#391,410, #458
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The revised planning/blueprint of it is like:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references provided so that one who wants to go in detail could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as one knows and now I nearing its end. It has total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 , in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Vedic readers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
7. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
Anybody, please
Regards
#228,229,230, 345, #315,#391,410, #458
By you editing the Vedas, you're not a third person? This edited version isn't going to be what you think it should be?
I haz teh confyooz.
Okay, let's stick with the first point - lots of repetition - surely a more concise form would make for a quicker and easier read?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Thanks for endorsing my views.
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That is of course a reasonable stance to hold. But it is not IMO as simple as that. Repetition may denote emphasis, and repetitive variations may be used to attempt to provide a more accurate understanding of certain ideas and concepts.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Sometimes, not always. To alleviate that the references will be provided, so one who wants to go deep could access them and note if the repetition is for emphasis or just the error of the scribes/narrators/clergy resulting to unnecessary volume. Right? Please
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That is a very interesting question, one which can't be fairly answered with just "yes" or "no".
On the one hand, sure, part of making good use of a religious text is certainly deciding what should be proper emphasis and what is redundant or even misleading. The reader has a responsibility while he reads the text.
On the other hand, what is proper is not only not always obvious, but it can and does in fact change from one reader to the next. That is true even if the text itself is perfect and we readily take it as such.
Incidentally, that is a major part of the reason why we Dharmi tend to welcome various and diverging traditions within our fold. Many of us understand and acknowledge that even if there is such a thing as a core, perhaps eternal religious truth, it can, will and must take multiple forms to accomodate the varied perspectives, vocations and needs of so many people.
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I wasn't endorsing your views! I was referring to the repetition in the Qur'aan!
Oh I agree! I am trying to get at paarsurrey's perspective on redacting the Qur'aan...
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Quran is already a very concise book. Right? Please
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Considering that it consistently begins all of its Suras with the same verse IIRC, maybe not.
I don't think it's all that concise. In any case, what about all the repetition in it?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
My endeavor is that an ordinary man could read the Veda in a reasonable time unit, This started with the remarks from certain friends here that even if one studies the whole life one cannot complete the root scripture of Hinduism/s.
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And? In one life I can't read all of the Western Literary Canon. The solution is not to condense the canon.
paarsurrey
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Veda is a religious scripture, so it is altogether a different issue.
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All religious scripture is literature, not all literature is religious scripture. Not a different issue at all.