There is no a priori reason why any religion even needs a scripture, let alone should make it crucial to its doctrine.
Personally, I think it is an all-out mistake to make such an attempt.
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Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?
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Personally, I think it is an all-out mistake to make such an attempt.
For all the time being wasted in these discussions, how much progress could you have made on this
paarsurrey
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Sorry! I am neither improving the Veda nor making a new one. I am just facilitating the ordinary man to know Veda with convenience. Please
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Actually you are making a new one, but technically they are no longer the Vedas. By being re-written by someone who has virtually no knowledge of Hinduism or Vedic culture, you are destroying the original Vedas and making a mockery of them. I would have less of a problem if you entitled this magnum opus as Based on the Vedas.
But let me rephrase anyway:
For all the time being wasted in these discussions, how much progress could you have made on this project to make the Vedas concise?
paarsurrey
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Veda/Yajurveda itself mentions that it is for the world not for a portion of it. It does not mention of Hindu or Hinduism. Does it ? Please
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Hinduism did not even have a name before Christian proselitism met its practicioners. The idea that there could be "right" or "wrong" religions was probably introduced in those lands by Christianity.
Aupmanyav
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That is not correct, Luis. The beliefs here were known as Hindu to Muslim invaders and most probably to the Zoroastrian Iranians (Pahlavas, Indo-Parthians, Westerm Satraps and Indo-Sassanians - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_kingdoms_of_India#The_Indo-Parthians). Western Satraps had their empire in Gujarat, Malwa and Maharashtra. The others ruled areas around Indus river.
paarsurrey
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One is welcome to write a book in refutation when the concise/compressed Veda is published. Right? Please
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Indeed, and that is another interesting thing to comment. Another important part of Dharma practice is indeed learning of and choosing among various interpretations of the doctrine.
Nor is it just a matter of deciding who to trust, although that is no small part of it. There is a matter of compatibility of emphasis, of style, personal vocation, and even of vocabulary as well.
An often overlooked reason why that is a good thing involves the downside of concise scriptures: ambiguity of meaning. Without commentary, and lots of it, religious doctrine may easily fall prey to staleness - and worse still, people may fail to even realize that it happened.
It may sound strange or even outright wrong to someone who accepts the Qur'an as literally correct, perfect, complete and true, but in all honesty I must say that religious practice can only be complete when it transcends the texts and becomes living practice, empowered by the discernment and effort of actual living beings.
paarsurrey
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I am not doing any translation myself and I intend to give the original text in Sanskrit side by side a translation, so that will alleviate all such things considerably.
The reader is always free to access other translations and commentaries if one is interested of one's liking.. Right? Please refresh the points mentioned for "Veda Scripture- The Compressed One" in the next post, for your convenience.
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paarsurrey
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Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The revised planning/blueprint of it is like:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references provided so that one who wants to go in detail could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as one knows and now I nearing its end. It has total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 , in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Vedic readers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
7. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
Anybody, please
Regards
#228,229,230, 345, #315,#391,410, #458
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The revised planning/blueprint of it is like:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references provided so that one who wants to go in detail could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as one knows and now I nearing its end. It has total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 , in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Vedic readers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
7. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
Anybody, please
Regards
#228,229,230, 345, #315,#391,410, #458
There is no need to do this. Hindus don't need to read scripture to practice their own faith.
You are free to do so. But it's like compiling all the texts of Shakespeare in one book and condensing it all for easy access. You lose the flavour, the personality, the meaning, and many of the indosyncrisities.
Many classics that are thought to be in the top 100 books to read before you die are over 1000 pages. People seem to read them all the same and have done for hundreds of years.
This is ultimately a fruitless endevour but it's a free country. You can spend your time however you please.
This made me smile! Thank you!
I'm on my phone so I have no idea if I spelled that correctly since it doesn't recognise the word or offered any replacements lol
I'm on my phone so I have no idea if I spelled that correctly since it doesn't recognise the word or offered any replacements lol
I assume you meant idiosyncrasies...
Btw, I like the three quotes in your sign-off!
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Meekness, wilful restrain: against such there is no law.
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unto all always
paarsurrey
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Veda Scripture- The Compressed One
(Please not a new point added at serial 5 below)
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The revised planning/blueprint of it is like:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references provided so that one who wants to go in detail could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as one knows and now I nearing its end. It has total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 , in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Vedic readers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
Anybody, please
Regards
#228,229,230, 345, #315,#391,410, #458
(Please not a new point added at serial 5 below)
I wish that ordinary man should be facilitated to read and finish Vedas- the Scripture in a reasonable time frame , and people get spiritual guidance direct from the scripture itself, rather than from a third person.
Life being so busy, ordinary people cannot afford to read such a voluminous Vedic scripture, they will rather be thankful if such a concise/condensed/compressed scripture is compiled which could be finished if not in 30 days or a month, then at least once in a year. Quran could be finished in thirty days , if read a part of it in 30/45 minutes a day, just for information in this connection, please.
The revised planning/blueprint of it is like:
1. Rigveda, is proposed to be kept mostly as it is. I understand that it is about 1000 ± pages, not possible to read by a busy person, therefore, it also needs compression as is evident. The elite class of Brahmins wanted to create as many as possible obstacles to keep Veda out of reach of an ordinary man, it is one such obstacle. Rigveda is also to be compressed, therefore, however, references provided so that one who wants to go in detail could access them. Right? Please
2. Sam Veda which is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda and only 65 new mantras/verses are there in Samaveda, so it should be compressed to 65 verses only and a footnote written on the verses in the Rigveda indicating that.
3.I am reading Yajurveda as one knows and now I nearing its end. It has total 500+ pages. I have found out that about some 50 or more verses are just repetition of the previous verses . These could be compressed for an ordinary man and only references provided in the original one.
4.We get a clue from post #18 , in another thread, that only a few verses on war/battles in Yajurveda should be mentioned in the compressed Yajurveda, though they form about 10% of Yajurveda, and the rest should be compressed. and only references retained, as this is against the contemporary Vedic readers, who hold Ahimsa as a basic creed of Veda, and that is a wrong concept. Right? Please
5.I get a clue from post #12 that the original, if there was/is one, should have the holy Sanskrit text side by side the translation to solve any ambiguity if the need be. That would require a two-fold compression, yet not impossible, if the friends who ascribe themselves to Vedas help us, as I don't know any Sanskrit as of now myself. Right? Please
6.We get a clue from post #79 that Veda is not to be taken literal, it is in symbols and metaphors.#80,#5
7. We get a clue from post #23 in another thread that there is too much monotony in Rigveda. So for minimizing it only some or more representative passages/verses should go to the compressed Rigveda but their references will be provided as mentioned in point one above. Please
8. We get from Yajurveda 15:13 “learn that part of the Veda which deals with the Unity of God” ONENESS of G-d.God and the attributes of God are most mentioned in Yajurveda, hence, these parts of Veda must be given preference over anything else #52. Right? Please.
Anybody, please
Regards
#228,229,230, 345, #315,#391,410, #458