Draw Muhammad day

[Gharib]

Oops just another equivocation from a Muslim apologist? Or are you really interested in discussing something?

Hahah nice one.

 

[beerisit]

Hahah nice one.

Obviously not, ok.

 

[Gharib]

Obviously not, ok.

Why not?

 

[A Troubled Man]

Here is what you quoted:

"Considering that religion or belief, for anyone who professes either, is one of the fundamental elements in his conception of life and that freedom of religion or belief should be fully respected and guaranteed

Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have a religion or whatever belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching."

It says nothing about guaranteeing respect for their beliefs. It says guaranteeing respect for the freedom of their beliefs.

Why would you want to take away someone's right to practice their beliefs in public?

That infringes upon my right to have freedom from religion. If people wish to practice their faith, they can keep it behind closed doors away from the public stage.

 

[A Troubled Man]

In other words, i responded in kind. By exaggerating the issue more than you already did, by claiming that the world is falling apart, because of the issue you're concerned with, and others like it.

LOL! Good one.

Faith is obviously also not by any means equal or equivalent to those things, but it is in my view to some extent (a much lesser one) and in a sense as such, with some people.

Yes, I know, that is part and parcel to the problem, a misunderstanding of faith and how it relates to people and societies.

Garbage.

But i think you forget that i'm supposed to be acting the role of a bigoted idiot in that part. So if it was slippery slope, then i did a good job (as i wasn't trying to be logical, in case you hadn't noticed or been unable to grasp that yet).

LOL! Another good one.

I insist that i grasp them too well.

Can I assume based on your posts that too is an exaggeration?

 

[9Westy9]

Does the Qu'ran or Hadiths prohibit infidels from drawing Muhammad or anybody else for that matter?

Does it matter?

 

[Badran]

LOL! Good one.

LOL! Another good one.

This is just getting sad. And i think i'm quite late in realizing that.

Yes, I know, that is part and parcel to the problem,

Everything i say seems to be part and parcel to the problem! Everything is "it", the "point". That is, your special 'point' i mean, that you keep referring to. The one that nobody is able to see except you.

I'm flattered by the fact that you think what i say is so important.

a misunderstanding of faith and how it relates to people and societies.

Please enlighten me.

Can I assume based on your posts that too is an exaggeration?

Of course, you could. I couldn't stop you from doing that.

But then i think you would've just made an incorrect assumption.

 

[Badran]

I think part of the problem here is the perception of what calssifies as "discrimination" and what does not. As far as I am concerned, drawing Muhammed in and of itself is not an act of discrimination or prejudice.

I agree, and i wasn't, and don't think that anybody else was (at least in the exchanges i think you might be thinking of when saying this), trying to argue that at all. The only reason we're talking about discrimination is because ATM supposedly thinks that the resolution is relevant, due to it supposedly taking away his rights to express his views or criticisms of religion. Which would according to him include participating in something like 'Draw Muhammad day'.

 

[Riverwolf]

That infringes upon my right to have freedom from religion. If people wish to practice their faith, they can keep it behind closed doors away from the public stage.

Where is your right to freedom from religion stated anywhere?

Religion is part of mankind, for better or for worse.

I'm personally offended by constant advertisement, probably just as much as you are offended by religion. But I choose to tough it out since it's part of the culture I'm in.

 

[Riverwolf]

I think part of the problem here is the perception of what calssifies as "discrimination" and what does not. As far as I am concerned, drawing Muhammed in and of itself is not an act of discrimination or prejudice.

I actually agree. I'm not against non-Muslim cartoonists from drawing Mohammad if he happens to be part of the point they're trying to make.

What I'm against is drawing him in protest.

 

[Penumbra]

That infringes upon my right to have freedom from religion. If people wish to practice their faith, they can keep it behind closed doors away from the public stage.

So the text was misinterpreted, and now this?

Since when do you have freedom from religion? Why should anyone have to keep what they do behind closed doors? What power do you have over the open air?

 

[A Troubled Man]

Since when do you have freedom from religion?

Unfortunately, I don't have that freedom because the religious have the freedom to do and say what they want in public.

Why should anyone have to keep what they do behind closed doors?

Religions are highly offensive and should be kept behind closed doors where they won't offend people.

What power do you have over the open air?

None.

 

[Riverwolf]

Unfortunately, I don't have that freedom because the religious have the freedom to do and say what they want in public.

And so do you. You don't have freedom from people, and such a thing never will exist as long as homo sapien is a social species.

Religions are highly offensive and should be kept behind closed doors where they won't offend people.

Such things are impossible to maintain. Everything is offensive to some extent. Simply being offensive isn't a good enough reason to keep something hidden.

 

[A Troubled Man]

Where is your right to freedom from religion stated anywhere?

It isn't, I don't have that right.

Religion is part of mankind, for better or for worse.

That doesn't mean it should infringe on my rights.

I'm personally offended by constant advertisement, probably just as much as you are offended by religion. But I choose to tough it out since it's part of the culture I'm in.

There are laws in advertising constructed such as to not offend people, and if they do, the ads are usually pulled. Religions can offend and there is nothing stopping them. Just because it's part of our culture doesn't mean it's good or can't be changed.

 

[A Troubled Man]

And so do you. You don't have freedom from people, and such a thing never will exist as long as homo sapien is a social species.

I didn't say anything about freedom from people, I'm talking about freedom from offensive ideologies.

 

[Riverwolf]

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There are laws in advertising constructed such as to not offend people, and if they do, the ads are usually pulled.

You misunderstand. I'm offended by virtually every commercial on television, radio, etc. I'm offended by product placement ruining otherwise good movies. I'm offended by all the sexism in many advertisements.

If all the ads I'm offended by were pulled, there'd be virtually no more advertisements.

Religions can offend and there is nothing stopping them. Just because it's part of our culture doesn't mean it's good or can't be changed.

I agree in general. Sexism is still part of our culture and does need to be changed. Religion, on the other hand, simply offends a small number of people. That's not enough to censer it.

 

[Riverwolf]

I didn't say anything about freedom from people, I'm talking about freedom from offensive ideologies.

I disagree that such a thing should exist.

Don't want to be offended? Stay inside.

 

[beenie]

A Troubled Man, where do you live that you can't express yourself about your dislike of religion?

 

[Penumbra]

Unfortunately, I don't have that freedom because the religious have the freedom to do and say what they want in public.

Religions are highly offensive and should be kept behind closed doors where they won't offend people.

None.

Based on this post, it sounds like you want to take away the freedoms of others, not that your freedoms are lacking.

What's more important- that my neighbor has the freedom to paint his house green, or that I have the freedom to stop him from painting his house green because I don't like green houses? Does it infringe my rights more for him to paint his house green, or his rights more for me to stop him from painting his house green?

Can a religious person claim that they don't have freedom because you have the freedom to not be religious?

 

[JacobEzra.]

Unfortunately, I don't have that freedom because the religious have the freedom to do and say what they want in public.



Religions are highly offensive and should be kept behind closed doors where they won't offend people.



None.

You poor sensitive man :sad4: