Draw Muhammad day

[Badran]

It is those "special needs" you refer that are exactly the issue, equal rights with the point of "hateful messages" being at the heart of the matter, because when it comes to rights, Muslims should not be allowed "special needs" just like everyone else.

Read the post you're replying to again then come back. If you come up with something that is relevant to what i said, something that i also have not already addressed too many times before (and in response to you personally actually), i might take that more seriously than i've took this post of yours.

That IS the point, Muslims want to have their freedoms but don't want others to have the same freedoms. That most certainly is a serious issue.

Doesn't this kind of thing get boring after a while?

I'm astonished at your persistence. I say that though fully knowing that there is much more to come. I know that you aren't done or almost done.

Unfortunately, the Muslim community successfully lobbied

Disregarding your misrepresentation of what they supposedly lobbied for (which i will address), is this your personal take on it or do you actually know that for a fact?

If the latter, could you share the sources based on which you came to your conclusion?

Not that there's anything wrong with that resolution, its quite positive from what i read actually. But i'm curious about your claim anyway. Because if Muslims actually did 'lobby' for this, then they did a good thing.

to have my right to disagree with Muslims and draw more cartoons with the passing of this resolution...

From which article of the resolution did you get that?

 

[A Troubled Man]

Read the post you're replying to again then come back. If you come up with something that is relevant to what i said, something that i also have not already addressed too many times before (and in response to you personally actually), i might take that more seriously than i've took this post of yours.

Doesn't this kind of thing get boring after a while?

I'm astonished at your persistence. I say that though fully knowing that there is much more to come. I know that you aren't done or almost done.

In other words, you're never going to get it, the point, that is. Okee dokee.

Disregarding your misrepresentation of what they supposedly lobbied for (which i will address), is this your personal take on it or do you actually know that for a fact?

If you had read the link I provided, you would see what was passed as resolution. Yes, I know it was about the Swiss and minarets that sparked the entire issue. Again, the rights of the Swiss were irrelevant and thus removed by the passing of the resolution.

Not that there's anything wrong with that resolution, its quite positive from what i read actually.

Yes, I can totally understand why you would find it positive. However, many others find it insane and hypocritical, especially considering Muslim states will ignore the resolution for their own people.

Because if Muslims actually did 'lobby' for this, then they did a good thing.

Yes, they successfully got their way, again.

From which article of the resolution did you get that?

"Considering that religion or belief, for anyone who professes either, is one of the fundamental elements in his conception of life and that freedom of religion or belief should be fully respected and guaranteed

Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have a religion or whatever belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching."

 

[Badran]

In other words, you're never going to get it, the point, that is. Okee dokee.

Nope, more like that i understand what you're doing, and while i find it amusing to an extent (to be honest), its getting kind of boring.

If you had read the link I provided,

I did, every word of it.

you would see what was passed as resolution.

I wasn't asking about what was passed in the resolution in that part. I was asking about the 'lobbied' part.

Yes, I know it was about the Swiss and minarets that sparked the entire issue. Again, the rights of the Swiss were irrelevant and thus removed by the passing of the resolution.

Like i said, i was asking about whether or not the lobbied part is your own special and insightful take on it or whether you had something substantial based on which you concluded that.

I addressed what the resolution contains in a following part.

Yes, I can totally understand why you would find it positive. However, many others find it insane and hypocritical,

I can understand that too. I understand why some people, you included (according to what you said), would find a resolution against discrimination of people based on religion to be insane.

Yes, they successfully got their way, again.

Yeah, those damn Muslims. They never stop do they?

I would still like to know what you based this on though.

"Considering that religion or belief, for anyone who professes either, is one of the fundamental elements in his conception of life and that freedom of religion or belief should be fully respected and guaranteed

Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have a religion or whatever belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching."

Horrifying stuff, no doubt.

From which part of it though did you get this:

Unfortunately, the Muslim community successfully lobbied to have my right to disagree with Muslims and draw more cartoons with the passing of this resolution...

I mean, what i understand from that is that Muslims took away that right from you, correct?

 

[beenie]

And yet, that resolution protects Muslims as a group from anyone else starting movements, like 'Draw Muhammad Day' for example. It solidifies the freedom of rights Muslims can have while removing the rights of others.

That is why I see your opinions on the matter as merely lip service.

Well that's your problem, not mine.

 

[A Troubled Man]

Nope, more like that i understand what you're doing

Evidently not.

I wasn't asking about what was passed in the resolution in that part. I was asking about the 'lobbied' part.

Lobbied by the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

I can understand that too. I understand why some people, you included (according to what you said), would find a resolution against discrimination of people based on religion to be insane.

LOL! Good one. Religions never discriminate against people.

I would still like to know what you based this on though.

Like the Muslim community constantly making demands on the rest of the world.

Horrifying stuff, no doubt.

It absolutely is horrifying in a bronze age medieval sort of way.

From which part of it though did you get this:

I mean, what i understand from that is that Muslims took away that right from you, correct?

I don't see how repeating myself is going to help. Did you not read the resolution and the parts I copied?

 

[A Troubled Man]

Well that's your problem, not mine.

LOL! That's kind of what I thought you'd say. Typical.

 

[beenie]

LOL! That's kind of what I thought you'd say. Typical.

Then I didn't disappoint.

What on earth do you want from me? I'm condemning the same thing you are. Do you always argue with people who agree with you?

 

[FearGod]

Then I didn't disappoint.

What on earth do you want from me? I'm condemning the same thing you are. Do you always argue with people who agree with you?

Don't be surprised.a troubled man.

 

[nameless]

Don't be surprised.a troubled man.

this is the truth ...

 

[Riverwolf]

Troubled Man, I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how anything in that article takes your rights away. Simply quoting the article doesn't help. If you want your argument to be convincing, you need to provide an explanation. NEVER assume your target audience can see the same thing you can.

 

[beenie]

Troubled Man, I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how anything in that article takes your rights away. Simply quoting the article doesn't help. If you want your argument to be convincing, you need to provide an explanation. NEVER assume your target audience can see the same thing you can.

Answering that question would defeat the argument being presented...that Muslims expect special treatment and are therefore taking away others' rights.

I urge you to not hold your breath for a straight answer.

 

[Gharib]

Answering that question would defeat the argument being presented...that Muslims expect special treatment and are therefore taking away others' rights.

I urge you to not hold your breath for a straight answer.

I don't think he can hold his breath for that long, he's not going to get a straight answer.

 

[Gharib]

this is the truth ...

....... from a nameless man. Hahaha.

 

[Riverwolf]

Answering that question would defeat the argument being presented...that Muslims expect special treatment and are therefore taking away others' rights.

I urge you to not hold your breath for a straight answer.

I'm not. I'm still going to pester him about it, though. :yes:

 

[atanu]

I think Islam is the ultimate -- in the sense that all surrender to Tao, or Brahman, or God, or Allah. There is actually no other way, although atheists will not agree.

But when I scan a thread here about one word description of religions, I find that it is Muslims alone who are somewhat contemptuous of other peoples beliefs.

Is it a problem of my seeing? Must be. Since:

"2.44": What! do you enjoin men to be good and neglect your own souls while you read the Book; have you then no sense?

This I try to imbibe from Quran.

 

[Anonymouse]

I think Islam is the ultimate -- in the sense that all surrender to Tao, or Brahman, or God, or Allah. There is actually no other way, although atheists will not agree.

What if a Muslim was to suffer from stress and depression ?

It's probably the uncomfortable side-effects of stress and depression that athiests don't want to suffer with.

 

[Gharib]

I think Islam is the ultimate -- in the sense that all surrender to Tao, or Brahman, or God, or Allah. There is actually no other way, although atheists will not agree.

But when I scan a thread here about one word description of religions, I find that it is Muslims alone who are somewhat contemptuous of other peoples beliefs.

Is it a problem of my seeing? Must be. Since:

"2.44": What! do you enjoin men to be good and neglect your own souls while you read the Book; have you then no sense?

This I try to imbibe from Quran.

The thread is asking for the first word that comes to mind. It could be anything. Are you really basing your opinion from the replies of Muslims from that thread? I could answer the question and my first thought could be anything.

You need to base your view on something better.

 

[atanu]

It's probably the uncomfortable side-effects of stress and depression that athiests don't want to suffer with.

It is painful reactions to ego actions that cause depression and then some such depressed persons take refuge in religion and continue with egoistic ways, until they surmise Islam.

If there was no false sense of ego there would be no depression.

 

[Badran]

Evidently not.

Is this the part where i go "Nu-uh" and you go "Yeah-uh"?

Lobbied by the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Any hope of sharing what you based this on?

LOL! Good one. Religions never discriminate against people.

Your ramblings are getting excessively more difficult to even take in a humorous way.

Like the Muslim community constantly making demands on the rest of the world.

So its just guess work on your part then?

It absolutely is horrifying in a bronze age medieval sort of way.

I understand how you feel.

What will be left for us to discriminate against people based upon if this goes on any further?

Race, gender and now people's beliefs as well can't be basis for discrimination. The world is falling apart.

I don't see how repeating myself is going to help.

You're absolutely right, it won't help at all. As of lately all you've been saying is either curious unclear statements, irrelevant points to the discussion or misrepresentations of the posts you're replying to. So yeah, doing that again won't help in the slightest.

Did you not read the resolution and the parts I copied?

I did, every word of each. All whats left is for you to explain how does this:

"Considering that religion or belief, for anyone who professes either, is one of the fundamental elements in his conception of life and that freedom of religion or belief should be fully respected and guaranteed

Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have a religion or whatever belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching."

Translate into this:

Unfortunately, the Muslim community successfully lobbied to have my right to disagree with Muslims and draw more cartoons with the passing of this resolution...

 

[FearGod]

Or.
What if someone, a Homosexual in this case, was to suffer from stress and depression as a result of your intolerance, arrogance, ignorance and retardation?

We also sent Lut : He said to his people : "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." Qur'an 7:80-81

Now i'm not Gay but if i were i would find this stressful,i would also find it insulting but you have a right to your religion so these books can get away with it,see how it works .

the verse isn't stressful, it is addressing men like me and you as not to choose gays
instead of women as their wives.

Can you clarify where is the insult