Drug use and the religious.

[LuisDantas]

Because marijuana used in moderation is not harmful in any way, or at least not as harmful as cigarettes, alcohol, or any of the other processed crap we put in us.

Is there a point to be made?

 

[MW0082]

Is there a point to be made?

Umm yeah same point I have been batting at, drugs should be legal and the choice and responsibilty of the individual who wnats to use them......

 

[Gloone]

Amsterdam is actually very lovely and clean. Things legal to sell is Prostitution, marijuana and other forms such as hash or in food. You can have and use cocaine, ecstasy, meth, and much more.

Since this all crime has gone down 70%, not just drug related crime. theiur economy is better, everythign is better there. Even their youth have a less percent that try and use than we do. that says lots.

I still don't think Amsterdam is as liberal as you think.

Amsterdam Drugs

 

[MW0082]

I still don't think Amsterdam is as liberal as you think.

Amsterdam Drugs

What about that is in contradiction to what I said? I said the soft drugs are legal, you can but marijuana anywhere in Amsterdam, the other drugs are illegal to buy not to posess. Sort of like Canada on marijuana, illegal to buy but you may posess and use...

 

[Gloone]

Is this a joke? :areyoucra

Reminds me of Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey..... :biglaugh:

No its not a joke. Because I really said it, but i might have said it like a joke I can't really remember. I could tell you some more stories about me, my mom, strippers and lesbians though. Those are kind of funny too.

 

[Gloone]

No its not a joke. Because I really said it, but i might have said it like a joke I can't really remember. I could tell you some more stories about me, my mom, strippers and lesbians though. Those are kind of funny too.

Actually I will save the stories for myself. lol Think im going to go harass my mom with them.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Yeah I think when you make it legal people will actually look at their use a lot more objectively. When a lot of people use drugs they get off on the feeling of doing something illegal and won't even contemplate moderation. Some people even justify this to steal and do other things that hurt others.

This is true. Drug addicts will justify anything they have to do to get more drugs.

How many RFers are currently addicts?

 

[JustAsking]

This is true. Drug addicts will justify anything they have to do to get more drugs.

How many RFers are currently addicts?

Unknowable. Unfortunately there are those that will tend to follow self destructive tendencies. Illegal, legal, it makes no difference. Sadly, they need to want help to start to heal.

Hopefully those addicts that come here (I'm sure there is at least one) notice there is a lot more to wonder about in this world besides where to get their next fix!

Atheism, Monotheism, Polytheism.. pick your poison!

 

[ninerbuff]

This is true. Drug addicts will justify anything they have to do to get more drugs.

How many RFers are currently addicts?

I'm sure your plea will be answered on a forum board. Most addicts don't even think they have a problem.

 

[BruceDLimber]

t definitely seems that the religious are generally more opposed to drug use than the irreligous, and maybe its because the vague anti drug statements of their religion makes them prefer the secular arguments against it.

You clearly haven't seen the extremely strong statements in the Baha'i Faith and its scriptures against this!

I can ASSURE you: they're not the least "vague!"

Bruce

 

[Midnight Pete]

I'm sure your plea will be answered on a forum board. Most addicts don't even think they have a problem.

No, I don't think so either. Which is why they allow themselves to OD one too many times and end up in a casket.

 

[MW0082]

No, I don't think so either. Which is why they allow themselves to OD one too many times and end up in a casket.

Yeah thats exactly what happens. I love how the people argueing for drugs to be legal don't even have their facts staright or now why the bad stuff happens with drugs.

Bad things happen in the drug worl ONLY BECUASE THEY ARE ILLEGAL.....

Drugs BTW are not addicting duh, if that were the case people would not be addicted to gambling, or shopping or anything else you can get addicted to and destroy your life with. Maybe we should just outlaw anything that someone can enjoy..... seems to be what the religious folks think

 

[JustAsking]

Yeah thats exactly what happens. I love how the people argueing for drugs to be legal don't even have their facts staright or now why the bad stuff happens with drugs.

Bad things happen in the drug worl ONLY BECUASE THEY ARE ILLEGAL.....

Drugs BTW are not addicting duh, if that were the case people would not be addicted to gambling, or shopping or anything else you can get addicted to and destroy your life with. Maybe we should just outlaw anything that someone can enjoy..... seems to be what the religious folks think

There are certain drugs that are very easy to get addicted to. Any sleep aids can be extremely addicting even in a physical sense. A lot of hard drugs, meth, etc, are also physically addicting.

That being said, other drugs are not and those that claim to be or that they can be merely misdiagnose the cause. Addictive personalities are very dangerous. Generally it's due to merely wanting an escape and any semblance of returning to reality pushes them to want to recede farther.

But frankly, many drugs could be made legal and we would be better off for it. Marijuana is a prime example. The amount of money and effort spent keeping it illegal and throwing those who are found to use it in prison is ridiculous. Fact is, it's more mild than alcohol in almost every way.

BUT ITS TERRIBLE.. MMMKAY?!

 

[MW0082]

There are certain drugs that are very easy to get addicted to. Any sleep aids can be extremely addicting even in a physical sense. A lot of hard drugs, meth, etc, are also physically addicting.

That being said, other drugs are not and those that claim to be or that they can be merely misdiagnose the cause. Addictive personalities are very dangerous. Generally it's due to merely wanting an escape and any semblance of returning to reality pushes them to want to recede farther.

But frankly, many drugs could be made legal and we would be better off for it. Marijuana is a prime example. The amount of money and effort spent keeping it illegal and throwing those who are found to use it in prison is ridiculous. Fact is, it's more mild than alcohol in almost every way.

BUT ITS TERRIBLE.. MMMKAY?!

I can't agree there, I know people who have smoked crack once and never seen them again. Then I know people who can smoke it every now and then and never let it take control. So it does have something to do with the mentality of the individual as well.

And yes marijuana should be lagal, we look like complete idiots letting our children die from drunk driving, or others from alcohol related deaths. We allow people to smoke chemicals such as rat poison, but marijuana is illegal. People are stupid and need to wake up. The war on drugs is making this world worse. It's time we take control of our lifes and we have the right to do what we want with our body. If "god" has an issue with it, tell it to come see me.:yes: But if there is a god, he is laughing at the idiots who are so against drugs, and smoking a doobie

 

[JustAsking]

I can't agree there, I know people who have smoked crack once and never seen them again. Then I know people who can smoke it every now and then and never let it take control. So it does have something to do with the mentality of the individual as well.

And yes marijuana should be lagal, we look like complete idiots letting our children die from drunk driving, or others from alcohol related deaths. We allow people to smoke chemicals such as rat poison, but marijuana is illegal. People are stupid and need to wake up. The war on drugs is making this world worse. It's time we take control of our lifes and we have the right to do what we want with our body. If "god" has an issue with it, tell it to come see me.:yes: But if there is a god, he is laughing at the idiots who are so against drugs, and smoking a doobie

Entirely agree.. referring to your first point (and the whole, but I'm addressing the first point here).

There are people (myself included) that simply loathe the idea that I "need" something to feel better, etc. I, and others like me, could probably take something that is highly addictive a few times and simply will out of it once it's no longer necessary (if it's a medication, etc).

I just find it really easy to say enough is enough.

 

[MW0082]

Entirely agree.. referring to your first point (and the whole, but I'm addressing the first point here).

There are people (myself included) that simply loathe the idea that I "need" something to feel better, etc. I, and others like me, could probably take something that is highly addictive a few times and simply will out of it once it's no longer necessary (if it's a medication, etc).

I just find it really easy to say enough is enough.

precisely, the war on drugs is failing and we can see that everyday. Obviously people are going to do drugs. it is impossible to stop it, so lets do it the right way. Like we did with alcohol and cigarettes, which is funny that they are legal considering neither are natural.

 

[JustAsking]

precisely, the war on drugs is failing and we can see that everyday. Obviously people are going to do drugs. it is impossible to stop it, so lets do it the right way. Like we did with alcohol and cigarettes, which is funny that they are legal considering neither are natural.

All too often people base their morals on what the law and by extension the authorities say is moral. Ohh look, alcohol is no longer prohibited, I guess my morals accept it now. Wait, what?

 

[MW0082]

All too often people base their morals on what the law and by extension the authorities say is moral. Ohh look, alcohol is no longer prohibited, I guess my morals accept it now. Wait, what?

Yup,...... and it's sad bc we have a real life example, AMSTERDAM!! Which is doing smashing since legalizing prostitution and marijuana. And yet people still say it can't be done...

 

[JustAsking]

Yup,...... and it's sad bc we have a real life example, AMSTERDAM!! Which is doing smashing since legalizing prostitution and marijuana. And yet people still say it can't be done...

Then again, just because it works somewhere else doesn't necessarily mean it would work here. That being said, I think it would be stupid _not_ to legalize marijuana and hemp in general.

The amount of positive benefits surely outweighs the negative. But I think that's why we're seeing Prop19 being pushed so hard an Cali. It simply would be a net benefit to legalize, much as it was to legalize alcohol.

 

[LuisDantas]

I can't agree there, I know people who have smoked crack once and never seen them again. Then I know people who can smoke it every now and then and never let it take control. So it does have something to do with the mentality of the individual as well.

It is a known fact that alcoholism is at least partially dependent on biological factors that vary among people (and are in fact inhereditary to some degree). I would assume that the same applies to many other drugs as well.

And yes marijuana should be lagal, we look like complete idiots letting our children die from drunk driving, or others from alcohol related deaths.

Or maybe we should instead take the dangers of alcohol more seriously?

We allow people to smoke chemicals such as rat poison,

Very few people would actually allow that. Failing to notice or care, yes. Allow as if there was no perception of any danger, no.

but marijuana is illegal. People are stupid and need to wake up. The war on drugs is making this world worse.

So is drug abuse, and I can't help but notice that you don't have a solution to propose for that. Why should I believe that the war on drugs isn't the lesser evil?

It's time we take control of our lifes

On that I agree with, although probably not quite in the same sense that you mean it.

and we have the right to do what we want with our body.

To a degree, albeit an awfully subjective one.

If "god" has an issue with it, tell it to come see me.:yes: But if there is a god, he is laughing at the idiots who are so against drugs, and smoking a doobie

Prove it. And tell me why it takes a god to have a legitimate issue with drug use and abuse.