Egyptian lawyer sues Netflix over Queen Cleopatra

[Shadow Wolf]

Check how Netflix describes it as a "docudrama", not a "documentary".
That misunderstanding appears to underlie much of the anger.

Watch Queen Cleopatra | Netflix Official Site

As Egypt's last pharaoh, Cleopatra fights to protect her throne, family and legacy in this docudrama featuring reenactments and expert interviews.

www.netflix.com

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As Egypt's last pharaoh, Cleopatra fights to protect
her throne, family and legacy in this docudrama
featuring reenactments and expert interviews.

If you think Netflix is bad, check out Shakespeare's
playing fast & loose with history.

Shakespeare was a playwright entertaining masses with shows that have lots elements and themes that pro-wrestling would come to have.
Smith said of this it's good for her daughters to see a black queen. But Cleopatra wasn't black, she wasn't even Egyptian. Saying was both is promoting and endorsing a false, and racist, revision of history.

 

[Revoltingest]

Shakespeare was a playwright entertaining masses with shows that have lots elements and themes that pro-wrestling would come to have.
Smith said of this it's good for her daughters to see a black queen. But Cleopatra wasn't black, she wasn't even Egyptian. Saying was both is promoting and endorsing a false, and racist, revision of history.

Many black folk represented in roles where they weren't
original, eg, Spiderman. To treat a specifically labeled
"docudrama" as serious presentation of history is wrong.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Many black folk represented in roles where they weren't
original, eg, Spiderman. To treat a specifically labeled
"docudrama" as serious presentation of history is wrong.

There is a black Spiderman though. A Hispanic Spiderman as well. That's normal for Marvel Comics because there's many universes amd many different versions of the same character. Like the Amazing Spiderman and the Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman. Those aren't the same Spiderman and how it's canonically possible to have three different Spiderman on screen at the same time. There's so much variance with Marvel Characters there's even a female Captian Britian. Minorities and bigotry have always been central themes of Marvel comics, and as a result it's had a diverse lineup of characters long before mainstream pressure to diversify the dramatis persona of shows was a thing.
And the issue isn't what the show is labeled as, it's the fact the cast and crew are passing it off as though Cleopatra was black. That's part of an ideology that attempts to rewrite all of Egyptian history and claims the Egyptians aren't really Egyptians. But that's totally false. If Smith wants her daughters to see a black queen portrayed on screen she needs to have them watch something else because Cleopatra wasn't even Egyptian.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you think Netflix is bad, check out Shakespeare's
playing fast & loose with

And Netflix documentaries (or docuseries) do seem to have a terrible grasp of history. No joke, the showed a picture, an image based on a scene from the video game Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and passed it off as being from Celtic Lore. That Ancient Apocalypse show is also just downright wrong, complete with a trailer thats shot up with errors.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is a black Spiderman though. A Hispanic Spiderman as well. That's normal for Marvel Comics because there's many universes amd many different versions of the same character. Like the Amazing Spiderman and the Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman. Those aren't the same Spiderman and how it's canonically possible to have three different Spiderman on screen at the same time. There's so much variance with Marvel Characters there's even a female Captian Britian. Minorities and bigotry have always been central themes of Marvel comics, and as a result it's had a diverse lineup of characters long before mainstream pressure to diversify the dramatis persona of shows was a thing.
And the issue isn't what the show is labeled as, it's the fact the cast and crew are passing it off as though Cleopatra was black. That's part of an ideology that attempts to rewrite all of Egyptian history and claims the Egyptians aren't really Egyptians. But that's totally false. If Smith wants her daughters to see a black queen portrayed on screen she needs to have them watch something else because Cleopatra wasn't even Egyptian.

We fundamentally disagree about the significance of docudramas.
Some inaccurate history will no doubt be believed. But so it goes.
Did you know that some people believe that Biden stole the election?

 

[Revoltingest]

And Netflix documentaries (or docuseries) do seem to have a terrible grasp of history. No joke, the showed a picture, an image based on a scene from the video game Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and passed it off as being from Celtic Lore. That Ancient Apocalypse show is also just downright wrong, complete with a trailer thats shot up with errors.

When they call it a "docudrama", I cut more slack that were it a "documentary".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When they call it a "docudrama", I cut more slack that were it a "documentary".

That's like Fox News highlighting their evening jackwads are "opinion, not news." But as we're finding out, and have known, spreading fabricated news (sometimes doing the fabrication themselves) is what they do.
This is being passed off and promoted, by the cast and crew, as a realistic portrayal of Cleopatra.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's like Fox News highlighting their evening jackwads are "opinion, not news." But as we're finding out, and have known, spreading fabricated news (sometimes doing the fabrication themselves) is what they do.
This is being passed off and promoted, by the cast and crew, as a realistic portrayal of Cleopatra.

Gawd, yer like a dog with a bone.
Just won't let go....even after having your
"documentary" vs "docudrama" pointed out.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Gawd, yer like a dog with a bone.
Just won't let go....even after having your
"documentary" vs "docudrama" pointed out.

You keep denying it despite the fact the cast amd crew are passing off a black Cleopatra as historic fact. Doesn't matter what the show's label is, Cleopatra was not the black or Egyptian queen they are saying she was. She was a Greek Macadonian who was Queen of Egypt. The Egyptian language wasn't even her native tongue.

 

[Revoltingest]

You keep denying it...

I do keep denying major significance of a docudrama.
This is unlikely to change.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I do keep denying major significance of a docudrama.
This is unlikely to change.

You keep denying it has any significance, but that's not how most will view it, especially as the intention is, according to the cast amd crew, make people think she was black.

 

[Revoltingest]

You keep denying it has any significance...

By George, I think she's got it!

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

By George, I think she's got it!

Well, you are the standard for significance and if we don't understand that, we have an evil system of understanding and are as a fact entitled snowflakes and that is a fact, because you say so.
I do understand you. I just do it differently because of moral relativism. Do you understand that?

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, you are the standard for significance...

You should understand that we all express opinions here.
Objecting to a poster expressing them isn't reasonable.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, you are the standard for significance and if we don't understand that, we have an evil system of understanding and are as a fact entitled snowflakes and that is a fact, because you say so.

Some here find a docudrama with a black Cleopatra
to be very wrong. I find it insignificant. To object to
expressing the latter opinion is unreasonable.
The proper way....
Discuss the issues. Eschew the tu quoque.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You should understand that we all express opinions here.
Objecting to a poster expressing them isn't reasonable.

Well, you are insignificant but so am I. So that doesn't add anything.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, you are insignificant but so am I. So that doesn't add anything.

Why fixate on me instead of the issue?
Lefties & fundies seem especially prone to this.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Why fixate on me instead of the issue?
Lefties & fundies seem especially prone to this.

Because you do 2 things. State opinions and that you can decide what is reasonable. Now explain how you do that.

 

[Heyo]

You attribute too much significance & effect to a TV show.

"A" TV show doesn't have much effect. A dozen TV shows with the same message is propaganda. Ask the average TV viewer in the US how they see cops and their picture is basically that propagated by all the cop shows.

 

[Heyo]

I'm not sure about other aspects of the series, but in my rather limited study of the history, I wonder why Cleopatra would be viewed or portrayed as any kind of positive historical figure that anyone should be proud of. She was a tyrant and a pretty nasty piece of work, although her Roman lover, Marcus Antonius, was even worse.

She was as tyrannical and murderous as any other tyrant during that time and then some.
But she also was one of the smartest persons who ever lived.