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Egyptian Salafi extremists kill 4 Shiites celebrating Imam Mahdi birthday…

Assad91

Shi'ah Ali
Lol if you think asking you to stop spreading lies about ibn Abd Al Wahab is starting this..than I am guilty..:facepalm:
That how it started. You must truly have a deficient intellect. This whole time I thought it was just a lack of reading comprehension coupled with hypocrisy. My bad
 

Aamer

Truth Seeker
3:31. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
3:32. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)."...
3:132. And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) that you may obtain mercy.
4:13. ...and whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will be admitted to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), to abide therein, and that will be the great success.
4:59. O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...
4:64. We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed...
4:69. And whosoever obeys Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allah has bestowed His Grace...
4:80. He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allah...
5:92. And obey Allah and the Messenger...
8:1. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), if you are believers.
8:20. O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him (Messenger Muhammad SAW)...
8:46. And obey Allah and His Messenger...
9:71. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger...
24:52. And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (SAW), fears Allah, and keeps his duty (to Him), such are the successful ones.
24:54. Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...
24:56. ...and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) that you may receive mercy (from Allah).
33:21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow...
33:33. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger...
33:71. ...And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (SAW) he has indeed achieved a great achievement.
47:33. O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)...
48:17. ...And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), He will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow (Paradise)...
59:7. ...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)...
64:12. Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)...




Although I agree that all the Hadith shouldnt be accepted as Sahih (especially the weak Shia chains of narration).. I dont agree with completely rejecting them.. Alot of good can be found in them.


A strict Quran only approach IMO leaves it open to interpretation by the reader..and you get famous Quranist Scholars like Rashad Khalifa coming up with blasphemous theories to fit their purposes..


Aamer Bro I am also interested in how Quranists pray?..where did you find that in the Quran? How many times a day?

Monotheist,
I am not in disagreement about any of the verses you quoted. The difference comes in HOW to obey the messenger. To me this does not mean obey Bukhari or Abu Hurrairah or accept sayings attributed to the Prophet which may or may not be accurate. There is absolutely no permission given in Quran to create a new set of holy books. The Prophet never authorized this either. If he had, it would have been done during his lifetime alongside the Quran. What has happened with Hadith after Quran is the EXACT same thing the Jews did adding the Talmud after the Torah. The Prophet followed Allah alone. He delivered the message through Gods words, the Quran. If you follow the Quran, you are obeying Allah and his messenger. And I'm not saying all Hadith are fabricated either. I'm just saying they have nothing to do with Islam!

As for Salat using Quran alone, there is a lot more in there than you might realize. I can get into many details later but for now I'll just say this...

What does the Quran say about Salat and how it can be conducted?

In simple words, the following acts define the Quranic Salat:

1- Wudu (ablution) as decreed in 5:6
2- Face Mecca as Qiblah (direction of prayer) as in 2:144
3- Commemorate the name of God alone in prayer (6:162, 20:14)
4- Use Quranic words and not words from any other source, this is the message of 29:45
5- Stand, bow and prostrate while commemorating God.

All other details are insignificant. What is the real intention? To worship Allah? Or to argue over how many inches apart your toes should be from the person next to you? Should we be focused on worshipping Allah or over what position our hands are in?

As for me personally, I pray the way I was taught, but I won't judge someone who prays a little different than me. As long as the 5 conditions are being met, I think you're fine. The only difference between my Salat and the traditionalists is that I don't say Durood as we can only commemorate the name of Allah alone in Salat. I also don't say Salaam to angels or humans for the same reason. Instead, I prostrate and say "Alhamdulillahi Rab il Alameen" (10:10).

How many times Salat is mandatory? There are only 3 Salat mentioned by name in Quran. There is even a lot of evidence in Hadith that the Prophet prayed 3 times (different story for a different post). But many Quran Alone Muslims pray 5 times because there is mention of worship during Sunset as well. Personally, I try to pray 4-5 times as it is the safer route. And there is nothing wrong with praying more than the required times.

Let me know if you need me to elaborate on any of this. Peace.
 
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Monotheist 101

Well-Known Member
That how it started. You must truly have a deficient intellect. This whole time I thought it was just a lack of reading comprehension coupled with hypocrisy. My bad

You dont surprise me at all...dodging all the relevant points of my post.. guess all you Shias are interested is in Mutah..

Prostitution in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Mutah/prostitution:Documentary about Iran. 1/5 - YouTube

You should relocate there.. The Iranis would welcome your kind with open arms..

P.S I didnt know I could add you to my ignore list...later dude have fun promoting Fitna and Prostitution in the Islamic community..:clap
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
You dont surprise me at all...dodging all the relevant points of my post.. guess all you Shias are interested is in Mutah..

Prostitution in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[youtube]wiwsZOOBVSc[/youtube]
Mutah/prostitution:Documentary about Iran. 1/5 - YouTube

You should relocate there.. The Iranis would welcome your kind with open arms..

P.S I didnt know I could add you to my ignore list...later dude have fun promoting Fitna and Prostitution in the Islamic community..:clap

Namaste,

Woah! What is that video about? Is such a thing really allowed in Islam? I doubt it is...Hindus have a similar problem with "Prostitutes of God" - but, they are heretics and the accursed, therefore they aren't Hindu; furthermore, they aren't using Shruti, therefore they are even more heretical. It is like the Aghoris. They are not to be found in the Holy Shruti Shri Rig Veda, thus they are an abomination. I think it is similar metaphorically to the Holy Quran: if something is not found in the Holy Quran, it is wrong for Muslims to engage in it. Talk to me, Mono. Let me know what's up. Stuff like this is heart wrenching :( ...

M.V.
 

Assad91

Shi'ah Ali
मैत्रावरुणिः;3423937 said:
Namaste,

Woah! What is that video about? Is such a thing really allowed in Islam? I doubt it is...Hindus have a similar problem with "Prostitutes of God" - but, they are heretics and the accursed, therefore they aren't Hindu; furthermore, they aren't using Shruti, therefore they are even more heretical. It is like the Aghoris. They are not to be found in the Holy Shruti Shri Rig Veda, thus they are an abomination. I think it is similar metaphorically to the Holy Quran: if something is not found in the Holy Quran, it is wrong for Muslims to engage in it. Talk to me, Mono. Let me know what's up. Stuff like this is heart wrenching :( ...

M.V.
You shouldn't be so naive to learn about Shia Islam from an apparently hateful sectarian inciting fool.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Namaste,

Assad, no answering my question posted above? Any Muslim on RF would like to answer the question I posted above?

M.V.
 

Assad91

Shi'ah Ali
मैत्रावरुणिः;3423962 said:
Namaste,

Well, is such a thing allowed in the Holy Quran? I doubt it is...

M.V.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...arriage-temporary-marriage-2.html#post3415466

Reread from links given here to see what mutah is. And don't fall for propaganda.
मैत्रावरुणिः;3424037 said:
Namaste,

Assad, no answering my question posted above? Any Muslim on RF would like to answer the question I posted above?

M.V.
Patience is good.
 

ignition

Active Member
मैत्रावरुणिः;3423937 said:
Namaste,

Woah! What is that video about? Is such a thing really allowed in Islam? I doubt it is...Hindus have a similar problem with "Prostitutes of God" - but, they are heretics and the accursed, therefore they aren't Hindu; furthermore, they aren't using Shruti, therefore they are even more heretical. It is like the Aghoris. They are not to be found in the Holy Shruti Shri Rig Veda, thus they are an abomination. I think it is similar metaphorically to the Holy Quran: if something is not found in the Holy Quran, it is wrong for Muslims to engage in it. Talk to me, Mono. Let me know what's up. Stuff like this is heart wrenching :( ...

M.V.
It is unfortunately the case that the Shia practise it as found in the video. There is no reasoning with them either. They think they have textual evidence, when none exists.
 

ignition

Active Member
मैत्रावरुणिः;3423962 said:
Namaste,

Well, is such a thing allowed in the Holy Quran? I doubt it is...

M.V.
There isn't.
 

Assad91

Shi'ah Ali
It is unfortunately the case that the Shia practise it as found in the video. There is no reasoning with them either. They think they have textual evidence, when none exists.
Still awaiting to hear that evidence for the stupid claims you made about Shia earlier.

Man, usually it is Sunnis saying Shia like to lie and how sunnis are above lying and deceit. Yet you nawasib are the worse liars and deceivers.
 

Assad91

Shi'ah Ali
मैत्रावरुणिः;3424045 said:
Namaste,

Can you please give me scripture and quotes from the Holy Quran supporting this? Because, Sunnis don't engage in Fit'ah...right?

M.V.

edit: mut'ah...not fit'ah...sorry!
Go to the appropriate thread for it. In the DIR.

Not everything is supported by Quran. Look at wahhabis who destroy graves and love to blow themselves up.
 

ignition

Active Member
मैत्रावरुणिः;3424057 said:
Namaste,

This is what I need; I need scripture/quotes stating this is okay or if this isn't okay. I haven't received either, Ignition-ji! :(

M.V.
You're not going to get any evidence, the evidences for Mut'a is nothing except fairytales.
 
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